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100% inheritance tax?

192 replies

Kendodd · 11/08/2022 20:40

Or 95%, something like that.
Thought experiment.
How would it pan out?

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whumpthereitis · 11/08/2022 21:37

I would move my money elsewhere and/or consult a financial advisor to exploit loopholes.

Or just leave the country altogether. That’s one of the benefits of having more than one citizenship.

Kendodd · 11/08/2022 21:37

What's all this bollocks about double taxation.
For a start, no it hasn't been taxed already, most of it's from house price inflation.
Plus, loads of money is double taxed, VAT, council tax, stamp duty etc.

OP posts:
dworky · 11/08/2022 21:38

MrsOwainGlyndŵr · 11/08/2022 20:42

Well for starters people would find a way round it.

And secondly, why shouldn't I inherit the things my parents worked hard for, and why shouldn't I pass on things I leave to my DDs?

Well, the rich would find a way round it, as they always have but the average person would have nothing to leave their loved ones.

XjustagirlX · 11/08/2022 21:39

Terfydactyl · 11/08/2022 21:31

But who knows when they are going to die, let alone 7 years before?
And actually if you then do need a care home a deprivation of assets will happen and someone somewhere does pay.

It’s really easy to avoid deprivation of assets rules

Kendodd · 11/08/2022 21:40

HinchcliffeandMurgatroyd · 11/08/2022 21:25

Trust law in this country is way overdue for reform.

This is the problem, though. We again have a Parliament full of almost exclusively very wealthy people, as we did 100 years ago. Even those MPs who come from modest backgrounds seem to acquire directorships, consultancies, BTL portfolios and so on with impressive rapidity. So we only ever get laws that benefit the well off and further divide society.

Completely agree.
Any changes would have to get through the house of lords as well though.

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XjustagirlX · 11/08/2022 21:40

RandomMess · 11/08/2022 21:37

As has been explained the rich never pay inheritance tax, only the relative "poor".

This is so true. If you are paying iht, you are not very rich. It is so easy to avoid.

Soontobe60 · 11/08/2022 21:42

maddiemookins16mum · 11/08/2022 21:07

Don’t be ridiculous. I inherited a house I then sold for £218K. My mum wanted me to have that money, she’d already paid tax on the money she earned before she then paid her mortgage for the house.

You’ve made the point perfectly. YOU did absolutely nothing for that £280k.

Kup · 11/08/2022 21:42

Leave inheritance tax roughly as it is but increase the tax liability of properties. A lot of peoples wealth comes from the rise in the value of their homes. This wealth is totally untaxed and they haven't worked for it. Also change the way trusts work. Also change the way care of the elderly is funded. Not sure what's fairest though.

We will pay inheritance tax but are giving money to our kids now to minimize our liabilities.

roarfeckingroarr · 11/08/2022 21:44

Stamp duty is also a bloody travesty. Why TF should government take a cut when private land changes hands? Why should I have to pay nearly £30k on top of the ridiculous price just to buy a 3 bed home for my family in the south east?

whumpthereitis · 11/08/2022 21:46

Soontobe60 · 11/08/2022 21:42

You’ve made the point perfectly. YOU did absolutely nothing for that £280k.

Except be the one her mother wanted to give it to.

Fink · 11/08/2022 21:48

I really hope not. An inheritance is the only chance I'll ever have of being able to afford to buy (or even rent) my own place to live. If it's all taken off me, I'll be relying on the government to house me once my parents die, and I don't rate my chances very highly unless there's a revolution or something.

MarshaBradyo · 11/08/2022 21:50

Kendodd · 11/08/2022 20:40

Or 95%, something like that.
Thought experiment.
How would it pan out?

Many wealthy would leave when required to ensure they could pass down their wealth

HughJarWang · 11/08/2022 21:50

I'm with all those who suggest you give your inheritance away if you don't want it, OP. For my own part, I'll be doing everything possible to ensure that my children inherit from me (I don't stand to inherit anything, myself).

senua · 11/08/2022 21:51

Festivalpartygirl · 11/08/2022 21:23

100% inheritance tax means I will give up work now and spend every penny having a bloody good time and treating my DC and then if I’m still alive when it’s all gone the state can fund my care home.

Same here. If the State is going to redistribute wealth then they can do it in my direction, after I've wasted what I have on exotic holidays and other such decadent splurges*.
The whole country would be on its uppers within a few generations.

*I wouldn't really. I'd surreptitiously pass it down to grandchildren before the taxman could get a sniff.

AhNowTed · 11/08/2022 21:56

Kendodd · 11/08/2022 21:37

What's all this bollocks about double taxation.
For a start, no it hasn't been taxed already, most of it's from house price inflation.
Plus, loads of money is double taxed, VAT, council tax, stamp duty etc.

The vast majority of earnings is taxed more than once.

PAYE, groceries, road tax, petrol tax, Vat on repairs and services, savings are taxed, pensions are taxed, pension contributions are taxed, gas and electric and don't we know it. Everything is taxed after we've already paid tax on our earnings.

We're left with a fraction of gross pay.

Fucked if I'm giving my house to the tax man as well.

hapinthewood · 11/08/2022 21:58

If I didn't think my son would inherit anything, I'd step right off the gas and my tax contribution would tank.

Farmageddon · 11/08/2022 22:00

People who bang on about increasing inheritance tax seem to ignore the reality that it hits ordinary people most, as the very rich always find a way to avoid it.

So where would this 95% of people's assets go to then?
To charity? Many people don't trust charities anymore, as they pay huge salaries to their CEOs, and there have been scandals in the past due to mismanagement of funds.
To the government? I don't want all my assets that I have worked hard to accumulate to go straight back to the government - I don't trust them to spend the money they already get, why would I want to give them more. They have shown countless times how wasteful and inefficient they are.

It's human nature to want to protect what you have, and pass it on to your children and people will find a way to do so. Most of us, if we ever get an inheritance, it's usually a one off and doesn't confer fabulous wealth, maybe just enough to pay off debts, clear a mortgage, have a nice holiday etc. basically make like a little bit more comfortable. It doesn't catapult us into the mega rich category.

To really tackle inequality you would need to go after the myriad of ways rich people evade tax, like trusts etc. But that won't happen because those in government want to keep them and their friends in wealth. Taxing corporation profits properly would also be a better way of raising revenue.

Wotaloadofshit · 11/08/2022 22:00

Kendodd · 11/08/2022 20:51

Inheritance tax is legalised theft. I say this as someone who will inherit nothing, so no skin in the game
I stand to inherit a lot.
I have done absolutely nothing to deserve this money and the person I'll inherit from has worked no harder in life than their cleaner, infact, I bet the cleaner worked harder.
It makes no sense to me that people work hard and have to scrimp to stretch their wages out after a big chunk of tax is taken but a massive great windfall, I did nothing for could be tax free.
Inheritance just entrenches inequality.

Then give it to their cleaner then if you dont think you deserve to inherit it.
Why should the government get 100% of it when tax had already been paid on it at source? Why shouldn't families be able to gift to each other without the government getting their mits on it and wasting it on those no more deserving?

SpilltheTea · 11/08/2022 22:00

@Soontobe60 Neither has the government, what's your point?

ParvuliThankYouDebbie · 11/08/2022 22:00

What would the threshold be in your thought experiment?

powershowerforanhour · 11/08/2022 22:01

Family businesses and farms in the hands of corporates owned by American shareholders within one generation probably. Or, if they were able to be passed on in trust then loads of fake "family businesses" set up as fronts to dodge IHT.

MarshaBradyo · 11/08/2022 22:04

Kendodd · 11/08/2022 20:51

Inheritance tax is legalised theft. I say this as someone who will inherit nothing, so no skin in the game
I stand to inherit a lot.
I have done absolutely nothing to deserve this money and the person I'll inherit from has worked no harder in life than their cleaner, infact, I bet the cleaner worked harder.
It makes no sense to me that people work hard and have to scrimp to stretch their wages out after a big chunk of tax is taken but a massive great windfall, I did nothing for could be tax free.
Inheritance just entrenches inequality.

Encourage them to donate instead, say you don’t want it

Hand it over to HMRC or their cleaner. Pledge it to a charity, we’ll all say well done 🙌

Chewbecca · 11/08/2022 22:04

Absolutely not! Would just be dodged by those who can, lawyers setting up trusts would boom.

daisyjgrey · 11/08/2022 22:05

Kendodd · 11/08/2022 20:51

Inheritance tax is legalised theft. I say this as someone who will inherit nothing, so no skin in the game
I stand to inherit a lot.
I have done absolutely nothing to deserve this money and the person I'll inherit from has worked no harder in life than their cleaner, infact, I bet the cleaner worked harder.
It makes no sense to me that people work hard and have to scrimp to stretch their wages out after a big chunk of tax is taken but a massive great windfall, I did nothing for could be tax free.
Inheritance just entrenches inequality.

How very worthy of you. I suggest you donate the entire lot to charity when you do inherit.

In the meantime, inheritance tax is legalised theft, as the pp said. The person who you will inherit from has already been taxed on their income etc.

Farmageddon · 11/08/2022 22:06

Kendodd · 11/08/2022 20:51

Inheritance tax is legalised theft. I say this as someone who will inherit nothing, so no skin in the game
I stand to inherit a lot.
I have done absolutely nothing to deserve this money and the person I'll inherit from has worked no harder in life than their cleaner, infact, I bet the cleaner worked harder.
It makes no sense to me that people work hard and have to scrimp to stretch their wages out after a big chunk of tax is taken but a massive great windfall, I did nothing for could be tax free.
Inheritance just entrenches inequality.

You haven't yet answered as to whether you plan to give all your ill gotten gains away then?
Also, lots of things entrench inequality - wealthy people will give their children many benefits during their lifetime even without inheritance: private schooling, nepotistic working opportunities, private healthcare etc.