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How many people complaining they are broke have fancy devices?

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IRememberXanadu · 08/08/2022 13:46

I was waiting to pay for petrol this morning when I overheard two ladies who were queuing up for the till next to mine, complain about the price per litre (of petrol). One way saying that she is really worried about the upcoming increase in price of electricity and gas, with the other agreeing and saying they don't know how they'll cope. While talking, they were looking at their phones - these were very expensive iPhones.

Later, I was relaying this exchange to a colleague, who said he has a friend who has also been going on and on about the upcoming price hikes and how worried he is, but also just bought (himself - it was not a gift or a work phone) a brand new iPhone.

So that got me thinking - while it's unbelievable that we are having to worry about utility prices in this country in this day and age - how many people are saying they are worried about how they will afford to heat their homes and use electricity, while still spending money on non-essentials? Of course we all need treats, but surely spending hundreds of pounds on nicer stuff when you could still buy something cheaper and put the savings towards essentials you are worried about affording, beggars belief? We are not hard up but have been thinking twice about buying luxuries when we are still in the dark about how much it will cost us to run our home, come this winter. Surely it can't be just us...

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UnnecessaryFennel · 08/08/2022 14:06

C'mon OP. Throw in something about flat-screen tellies and you'll have the whole bingo card.

3/10 wouldn't recommend.

BeyondMyWits · 08/08/2022 14:06

My phone is on tesco mobile at £21 a month, including phone, more calls+ texts and data than I need, but that was what was on clubcard offer. Hardly extravagant.

Especially since I don't buy petrol...

Prunel · 08/08/2022 14:06

People just love beating people over the head about the luxury of having iPhones

firstly you can get many of them very cheaply now, often people get them handed down as well. Are you confident at a distance which is a new iPhone and which is a 5 year old iPhone?
My phone has at times been in place of my laptop, my landline and a tv. It’s a lifeline, I use it for work even. It’s relatively new, I pay £14 a month. Is that too much? With all it’s benefits at that price should I cancel it to help my £300 electricity and gas bill? Or does having it mean I’m not allowed to worry about those things?

You also sign up often for 2+ years for a contract, and they likely didn’t predict this.

Would you be happy if they were poor and didn’t have a phone?
did you ask them if they dared to have a flat screen tv and a sky package too?

hotfroth · 08/08/2022 14:07

I work for a local company and one of the things I manage is credit control. One of our commercial customers is a really bad payer, is often a couple of months behind and has a truly terrible credit rating. They always have to be chased and chased before they cough up, and they are teetering on the brink of insolvency. I have also checked the last set of accounts at Companies House, which are discouraging to say the least.

Half an hour ago, at the traffic lights in our small town, I was behind a vehicle with their logo on it. A brand new high-end Range Rover with personalised number plates and tinted windows.

So where's the money for that coming from, then?

MineIsBetterThanYours · 08/08/2022 14:08

Not that one again….

Why do you assume the phones they have were new when they bought Them? Why do you assume they bought them rather than being a gift?
Do you know how old the phones are? Did it come to mind that maybe those phones were bought at a time when they had more disposable income maybe?

And what is a ‘fancy device’? One YOU would think twice before buying? Or are you saying they ought to only use a brick/Nokia type of phone because anything else is ‘too fancy to complain about the inflation’?

UnnecessaryFennel · 08/08/2022 14:09

Divide and conquer on the race to the bottom.

You're being manipulated, OP.

DustyMaiden · 08/08/2022 14:10

My iPhone is sim only, £8 per month. I paid off my contact years ago.
since I purchased the phone DH has been made redundant. Things change.

Fluffygreenslippers · 08/08/2022 14:11

Are you my 87 year old nan? She also believes the internet is a waste of money, despite my mother repeatedly telling her she needs it for banking, job searching and shopping (she doesn’t have a car and is disabled so can’t just take a bus).

MineIsBetterThanYours · 08/08/2022 14:11

IRememberXanadu · 08/08/2022 13:59

Surely if you are watching the pennies, even an extra £10 a month counts? It's not just expensive phones; it's the tablets in additions to phones and laptops, it's the nail appointments, smoking, etc. Surely when you add it all up, it amounts to quite a bit. Either that or I guess people aren't really that hard up, which I doubt because even here on MN you are constantly reading about how posters don't know where they'll get the money to pay their bills this winter. Surely if you were really desperate, every extra pound would help, wouldn't it?

And you know those two women are doing all that because????

Or is that a reflection of all the gadgets YOU have, all the stuff YOU do and are thinking about stopping because you know, inflation, cost of pas and electricity etc…?

Thats of course Wo going into the fact all of those ‘gadgets’ will have been bought a while ago, not just now (who buy a new laptop, iPad, phone and whatever every year??) at a time when prices weren’t skyrocketing.

ofwarren · 08/08/2022 14:12

You are talking bollocks OP.
I have a smart phone that is under contract and is £20 a month. I couldn't afford to buy a smart phone outright, they come free with a contract.
I use it to access the Internet, which is an essential for my kids homework, for filling in forms, for paying bills and accessing my bank.
I don't access the Internet any other way.

dolphinsarentcommon · 08/08/2022 14:13

OP I'm with you to a point. We don't receive any benefits but a friend who does is about to go on her second holiday this year abroad, her kids have also had one with her ex. She as a newer phone than me, has her nails and hair done more frequently and has Netflix and sky (we don't)

I don't understand how this happens but good luck to her.

MadameCholetsDirtySecret · 08/08/2022 14:13

I really can't believe that anyone could be so unpleasant as to judge another person like this and start a thread about it.
I'm risking this post being deleted but I smell a rat with this OP.

MarshaMelrose · 08/08/2022 14:14

pedropony76 · 08/08/2022 14:02

Are you being purposely obtuse?

So because people are worried about bills that means they should all have a £25 brick Nokia is that right?

On the right contact, an Iphone could cost you £20-£30 a month. Should they not have a smartphone just to show how broke they are? What the hell is £30 a month gonna do when your spending £400 a month more on energy and fuel??

Get a grip, you sound miserable af. This is the equivalent to ‘if you’re on benefits then you shouldn’t have nice items and clothing. Everything must be 10 years old and have holes in them

I don't think she's being obtuse. She just doesn't agree with you. Her position is that spending £30 a month when you're wondering how you're going to pay your other bills is wasteful. I don't see why you have to be insulting or abusive towards her just because you don't agree.

BellaCiao1 · 08/08/2022 14:14

IRememberXanadu · 08/08/2022 13:59

Surely if you are watching the pennies, even an extra £10 a month counts? It's not just expensive phones; it's the tablets in additions to phones and laptops, it's the nail appointments, smoking, etc. Surely when you add it all up, it amounts to quite a bit. Either that or I guess people aren't really that hard up, which I doubt because even here on MN you are constantly reading about how posters don't know where they'll get the money to pay their bills this winter. Surely if you were really desperate, every extra pound would help, wouldn't it?

That's the Tory attitude. Don't let the working class have any small luxuries that make life a bit better.

dolphinsarentcommon · 08/08/2022 14:14

Phones don't come free with a contract! I have sim only contract to save money on my phone I have to charge about 3 times a day. To get a new phone the contract would be 5x as much.

BungleandGeorge · 08/08/2022 14:14

you can’t access many things without a mobile number/ texting service/ email these days. And you need access during the day so I’d say a smart phone is essential. The cost of the contract is pretty minimal when compared to the increase in fuel prices and utilities. Obviously some might have to eliminate everything they can to be able to survive but it’s a bit much to expect that working people can’t even have a mobile phone or anything else now. We could all live in bedsits with no telly and wear the same clothes every day but it’s hardly something to aspire to

SnowdropsInSpring · 08/08/2022 14:14

My last phone (free) cost me £7.50 per month from Tesco mobile including the loyalty discount.

It connected me to the world. I used it to get work. It kept me sane.

Phones are no longer a luxury, but a necessity.

Circumstances change. You don’t know anything from a glance.

Roselilly36 · 08/08/2022 14:15

It amazes me too, but different people prioritise different things I suppose, I wouldn’t dream of taking out an expensive contract to have the latest phone, but plenty of people do.

ClumpingBambooIsALie · 08/08/2022 14:15

Monkeybutt1 · 08/08/2022 13:59

Whilst I don't think the Iphones are a great example, I know what you mean OP.
I have a friend who was worried about everything going up to the extent they cancelled their family holiday whilst they could as they were struggling to save for it. Then 2 weeks later she bought a Robo vac for £200!

It's important to think about the psychology of the situation… if someone's just had to forego the family holiday, then they're more likely to splash out on something much smaller to give themselves a bit of a boost. It doesn't negate the big sacrifice, or mean they're stupid necessarily. Willpower is also a limited resource, and the more you're having to hold back and hold back, the more likely you'll occasionally give in on something smaller.

George Orwell is interesting on this type of tendency:

Trade since the war has had to adjust itself to meet the demands of underpaid, underfed people, with the result that a luxury is nowadays almost always cheaper than a necessity. One pair of plain solid shoes costs as much as two ultra-smart pairs. For the price of one square meal you can get two pounds of cheap sweets. You can't get much meat for threepence, but you can get a lot of fish-and-chips. Milk costs threepence a pint and even 'mild' beer costs fourpence, but aspirins are seven a penny and you can wring forty cups of tea out of a quarter-pound packet. And above all there is gambling, the cheapest of all luxuries. Even people on the verge of starvation can buy a few days' hope ('Something to live for', as they call it) by having a penny on a sweepstake. Organized gambling has now risen almost to the status of a major industry. Consider, for instance, a phenomenon like the Football Pools, with a turnover of about six million pounds a year, almost all of it from the pockets of working-class people. I happened to be in Yorkshire when Hitler re-occupied the Rhineland. Hitler, Locarno, Fascism, and the threat of war aroused hardly a flicker of iinterest locally, but the decision of the Football Association to stop publishing their fixtures in advance (this was an attempt to quell the Football Pools) flung all Yorkshire into a storm of fury. And then there is the queer spectacle of modern electrical science showering miracles upon people with empty bellies. You may shiver all night for lack of bedclothes, but in the morning you can go to the public library and read the news that has been telegraphed for your benefit from San Francisco and Singapore. Twenty million people are underfed but literally everyone in England has access to a radio. What we have lost in food we have gained in electricity. Whole sections of the working class who have been plundered of all they really need are being compensated, in part, by cheap luxuries which mitigate the surface of life.

(Road to Wigan Pier, Ch 5)

The ordinary human being would sooner starve than live on brown bread and raw carrots. And the peculiar evil is this, that the less money you have, the less inclined you feel to spend it on wholesome food. A millionaire may enjoy breakfasting off orange juice and Ryvita biscuits; an unemployed man doesn't. Here the tendency of which I spoke at the end of the last chapter comes into play. When you are unemployed, which is to say when you are underfed, harassed, bored, and miserable, you don't want to eat dull wholesome food. You want something a little bit 'tasty'. There is always some cheaply pleasant thing to tempt you. Let's have three pennorth of chips! Run out and buy us a twopenny ice-cream! Put the kettle on and we'll all have a nice cup of tea! That is how your mind works when you are at the P.A.C. level. White bread-and-marg and sugared tea don't nourish you to any extent, but they are nicer (at least most people think so) than brown bread-and-dripping and cold water. Unemployment is an endless misery that has got to be constantly palliated, and especially with tea, the English-man's opium.

(RTWP, Ch 6)

The robovac is your friend's twopenny ice-cream, in effect.

grapehyacinthisactuallyblue · 08/08/2022 14:15

It's really weird to think this way just because you heard some stranger talking. Even if you are well off, rising prices and uncertainty is a worry to anyone.
You don't have to be struggling for penny to complain about economy.

SnowdropsInSpring · 08/08/2022 14:16

dolphinsarentcommon · 08/08/2022 14:14

Phones don't come free with a contract! I have sim only contract to save money on my phone I have to charge about 3 times a day. To get a new phone the contract would be 5x as much.

I’ve only ever once bought a phone (my latest one). All of my other phones came as a package with the contract. I never paid more that £10 per month until now (my new job necessitates it).

Bluevelvetsofa · 08/08/2022 14:16

It’s entirely possible that people bought these devices before the current cost of living crisis, fuelled by the war in Ukraine, amongst other things, really hit. We wouldn’t have known this time last year about these things and most seem to be saying that their phones are a few years old. Things that were a luxury, become necessities unfortunately.

It’s not going to be any use selling your phone to use on fuel and food. Like many people, we’re tightening belts and struggling. We have iPhones and iPads and they were bought before anyone could have dreamt of this happening. People will cut down on petrol, food and entertainment, because those are things you can change. You can’t change the things you already have, unless you buy new, which defeats the object.

IRememberXanadu · 08/08/2022 14:18

To those of you talking about phones in general - I'm not talking about phones in general, I'm talking about expensive phones. Of course today a mobile phone is a given. But not a £1,000 one, surely. And no, I don't know those women; my point was about people in general who complain about being hard up but then go out and spend money on luxuries.

Expensive stuff is still selling, shopping centres are still heaving, and yet we keep on hearing about how worried lots of people are. So don't give me the line that phones are essential nowadays, because that's not what I'm saying. I'm just asking why even people who go on and on about being skint and worried, still go out and spend unnecessarily. And if you think that a £1K phone is essential, I think you are the one who needs their head looking at.

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MineIsBetterThanYours · 08/08/2022 14:18

BellaCiao1 · 08/08/2022 14:14

That's the Tory attitude. Don't let the working class have any small luxuries that make life a bit better.

I’m not even sure that having a smart phone is considered a luxury anymore tbh.
You need access to emails and internet for everything these days.

That wouod be one of the very last things I would touch. I would stop the Internet at home way before for example.

Sirzy · 08/08/2022 14:19

I have a three year old iPhone, I have paid of the handset so it’s only £11 a month now.

Ds has a fairly new iPad, provided to us by a charity for disabled children thankfully.

hardly the height of luxury!