FFS how many more kids need to be murdered!

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I have just watched the documentary Taken Failed Killed on BBC iPlayer. Leiland-James is now the third child to have died due to social services incompetence within the last 24 months, following Arthur and Star. How many more kids are going to have to be murdered before something is done about this unbelievably, unacceptable system which is meant to support and care for those vulnerable!

So angry!! 😡😡😡

It’s awful and heartbreaking. Sorry I know social services are stretched, everyone knows that, but for these cruel acts to occur so frequently in the last year alone there’s also got to be a gross level of incompetence at play. It’s just not acceptable and changes need to be made.

It's a human and therefore an imperfect and fallible system. Short of crystal balls and psychic abilities, it always will be a human and fallible system and therefore there will always, sadly, be children harmed by those who should care for them.

This is a really naive thread. Murder is a crime, crime has been around since time began and it will always be there. Children will always be victims of hideous criminal acts including abuse and murder. All the social workers in the world wouldn’t stop that from happening. Social services are overstretched and under resourced but do not forget there are 1000s of children saved by social services every year. Crystal balls sadly do not exist. When cuts to services are made and families face hardship and poverty more children will die.
We need more social workers so why don’t you sign up? Only then can be the change you want to see.

If you read the safeguarding review published today you’ll find that the failures here related to health and third sector services not sharing relevant information to social work as part of the assessment process. You’ll also find that the prospective adopters consistently lied, supported by their referees, to get through the assessment process and post placement. Very little of the review report shows failure on the part of social work but don’t let that stop you.

It’s about time we started banning these bonuses. Social services aren’t stretched. They are picking and choosing the cases which will result in adoption and give them a bonus. So many parents have their children taken away quickly and no apology when they prove that social services have lied and yet the ones who are being abused are left to die. I saw an article years and years ago where a man actually took social services to caught because they ridiculed him when he tried to gain custody of his child and did everything they could to get the child adopted out. The judge ruled in the dads favour.

Something has gone badly wrong in the assessment process of this women .

@Springblossom2022 that’s heartbreaking.

The latest case was a massive failing, that woman was a walking red flag had the truth been known about her anger issues. That poor child.

Why she would even want to put herself in the position of looking after a child when she felt the way she did, knowing she would struggle to contain her anger is beyond me.

What bonus would this be?

@Crazyhousewife

What bonuses?
You are deluded if you think SWs are paid per child

just googled what is said above and found this article

Yes, of course it is. But when three children are murdered, Despite social services being informed of risk (or lack of in this poor babies case). One has got to wonder how has SS become so systematically negligent.

I don’t blame the workers, but I definitely blame the system which really needs to be looked at.

Apt username.

The problem is somehow they were able to get past the system. I want to make it clear I’m not blaming the workers but the system that allowed this to happen, which will happen again if not properly restructured to ensure that it can’t!

Believe me, there are no bonuses. It’s an utterly stupid opinion.
there are so many lies and falsehoods in this case, none of which it seems to me are the fault of social workers.
i have just retired after a 40 year career in social work, and I’m incredulous that people still believe the nonsense like bonuses etc.
yes, there are useless social workers, as in any profession, like surgery for example. This is not a perfect world, but for people to still think children are taken for adoption because. Money…….. words fail me.

I like the way you say 'article' there!!!

Very good!

The problem is somehow they were able to get past the system. I want to make it clear I’m not blaming the workers but the system that allowed this to happen, which will happen again if not properly restructured to ensure that it can’t!

And how do you suggest social workers determine that someone is lying to them consistently, that their referees also consistently lied and were supported by health services and counselling agencies not sharing relevant information?

People go on about how intrusive the assessment process is, how nosy social workers are, how they pick up on “irrelevant” parts of a persons life to deny them children, I’ve seen potential adopters on here told to just not mention x, y and z in their assessment. And still social workers get the blame.

A child dies on average once a week at the hands of their parents or carers but not all of them make the news.
If people want to hide things and manipulate you it’s very hard sometimes to work out the truth. Add in the pressures and it’s obvious how it happens.
@Crazyhousewife There was a case where the dad took social services to court and the Judge ruled in his favour, he then killed his child….

Eh?
The primary guilt lies here with the murderers. They are the ones who truly did wrong.
Don't blame social services; social workers are only human. And mostly female, which is why they carry the can much of th time.
Do you blame the police forces in the same way, for every violent crime, or murder? Didn't think so.

YANBU it really pisses me off when you find out afterwards how many people knew about the abuse.

I shudder to think how many children must be going through it but you just don’t know because they’ve not been killed.

It’s awful for the children but they are going to grow into extremely traumatised adults and will more than likely commit serious crimes.

The trouble is though you only have to mention SS on here and many on here goes on the defensive and make out like SS only cause trouble and that it’s normal to have SS involvement.

Also I watched that programme and while I’m incredibly sorry for that mums loss there is far more to that story of mums past. The threshold to remove a child at birth is incredibly high (rightly so)

I’ve had to hide my own thread on this, I was disgusted by the responses.

Also what @Chdjdn yays. The BBC news (written) reportage was strangely silent on the birth mother's background. She isn't responsible for the murder, not at all ... But that baby wasn't removed for spurious reasons.

Well, it seems he was removed on the premise of what might happen in the future if she met someone, rather than any concerns about her own propensity to violence. But sure, it’s her fault she was beaten to the extent she suffered a miscarriage and now has had her son murdered. All her fault.

Obviously it wouldn't get the same reaction, but it's never published how many children are actually saved due to SS intervention.

Obviously any child death is one too many but child protection is called that for a reason. To protect vulnerable kids, of which there are many.