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STOP HOGGING THE MIDDLE LANE!

249 replies

Flowers217 · 26/07/2022 19:07

Seriously what is wrong with some drivers?!?

I was driving on the m4 this morning. It was pretty quiet and the section I was driving on now has 4 lanes.

Oh, but wait - 2 of them are empty because everybody just loves to drive in the third lane.

Yes it probably annoys me more than it does but my god it is so frustrating!!! and dangerous too!

OP posts:
cakeorwine · 26/07/2022 23:34

LittleScottieDog · 26/07/2022 23:24

Why should I be driving into those gaps often for less than the two minutes it takes to catch up with the next bunch of lorries.

@PerseverancePays

Two minutes is ~two miles!!

Why do you sit in lane 2 when you could be in the inside lane for a mile or more? You're not overtaking at that point. Lane 2 is for overtaking those in the inside lane. If you're driving along for over a mile with an empty lane to your left, then you do need to refresh your driving skills.

This,

Of course you can catch up with lorries that are ahead. There is often a decision to be made as to whether to always move to the inside lane or to continue at speed and catch up with the next set. I suppose it depends on the relative speed, volume of traffic and distance to the next set of lorries. As well as the number of lanes.

But it is pretty obvious who is hogging the middle lane and disrupting traffic flow. I am sure YouTube has plenty of examples

ErrolTheDragon · 26/07/2022 23:36

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 26/07/2022 20:35

we need to legalise undertaking on motorways in the UK

We definitely don't. I drive in the US where it is legal and it's terrifyingly dangerous. It's a key reason why they have a much higher rate of fatal road traffic accidents than us.

Seconded.
Middle lane hogging is bad, but undertaking (especially if the third lane could have been used) is worse.

ThomasinaGallico · 26/07/2022 23:37

dolphinsarentcommon · 26/07/2022 20:54

The thing absolutely guaranteed to enrage me is lorries in the middle lane for MILES, always parallel to another lorry. Effectively turning the whole motorway in to a single carriageway.

Not long ago I saw 3, yes THREE across a four lane motorway. I hope they got pulled over. Arses.

Yeah. And they’re all travelling at a relative velocity of about 0.0001 mph because they all have limiters on. I mean, what is the point?

Outside lane clogging is also very common at the rear end of the M3 going towards Southampton. Horrible stretch of motorway.

PerseverancePays · 26/07/2022 23:41

LittleScottieDog · 26/07/2022 23:24

Why should I be driving into those gaps often for less than the two minutes it takes to catch up with the next bunch of lorries.

@PerseverancePays

Two minutes is ~two miles!!

Why do you sit in lane 2 when you could be in the inside lane for a mile or more? You're not overtaking at that point. Lane 2 is for overtaking those in the inside lane. If you're driving along for over a mile with an empty lane to your left, then you do need to refresh your driving skills.

What about when you do this ‘correct’ driving and tuck into the first lane for two minutes and then you have to wait ages for all the people in the middle lane to let you out again, the middle laners are not making any effort to use the first lane and it feels much slower to be waiting to be let out of the lorry lane to go in the middle lane then back in with the lorries. Much smoother to be mostly in the middle lane and occasionally need the outside lane when the lorries have all pulled out to do their overtaking. If there aren’t any lorries which is hardly ever, then it’s not an issue and the three lanes are much more evenly used.
I used to travel down the M11 regularly and haven’t for the last two years and I don’t miss it one bit. As for all the rage, where’s the fire? What amazing earth changing thing is it that you will do with the three and half minutes you have saved haranguing people out of the middle lane?

xippo · 26/07/2022 23:48

I know ill be slated but why go in the slow lane to constantly pull out for incoming traffic from junctions, pulling over from drivers doing 50mph, lorries etc.if I'm in a big stretch of the m1 then ill go in the slow lane, if not ill do like the rest of the 80% of drivers and stay in the middle.

purpleboy · 26/07/2022 23:49

xippo · 26/07/2022 23:48

I know ill be slated but why go in the slow lane to constantly pull out for incoming traffic from junctions, pulling over from drivers doing 50mph, lorries etc.if I'm in a big stretch of the m1 then ill go in the slow lane, if not ill do like the rest of the 80% of drivers and stay in the middle.

Your ignorance is astounding.

MrsMoastyToasty · 26/07/2022 23:49

You're not undertaking if you move from lane 2 to lane 1 to pass a slower vehicle in lane 2 if you just cruise past (within the speed limit) and you don't rejoin lane 2 (ie you remain in lane 1 after passing the slower vehicle.

Having driven on 3 motorways today - M32 out of Bristol, M4 westbound into the Almondsbury interchange/A38 and onto the M5 southbound I really wish drivers would really read the signs on the overhead gantries and get in the correct lane rather than cutting across multiple lanes at the last minute.

cakeorwine · 26/07/2022 23:49

xippo · 26/07/2022 23:48

I know ill be slated but why go in the slow lane to constantly pull out for incoming traffic from junctions, pulling over from drivers doing 50mph, lorries etc.if I'm in a big stretch of the m1 then ill go in the slow lane, if not ill do like the rest of the 80% of drivers and stay in the middle.

You should use common sense to know when it's appropriate to move in and when it's sensible to be overtaking in the outside lane.

cakeorwine · 26/07/2022 23:52

You're not undertaking if you move from lane 2 to lane 1 to pass a slower vehicle in lane 2 if you just cruise past (within the speed limit) and you don't rejoin lane 2 (ie you remain in lane 1 after passing the slower vehicle

It is still dangerous. Because the car in lane 2 could move into the inside lane and not expect a car to be going past them.

It's a risky manouvre.

purpleboy · 26/07/2022 23:55

@PerseverancePays seriously you are not a good driver.
You should only be in the lane to your right if you are overtaking something on your left, one the overtaking is complete you move back to the left. If the cars in the middle make it difficult for you to get back out...news flash you use this thing called an indicator to move back out, it also means they're going quicker than you, so you hogging the middle lane means they would have to pull out to the outside lane to go past you, causing the queues we so often see on motorways. You and other clueless people are literally the reason there is such build ups on motorways.
Seriously if you can't drive properly do us all a favour and get off the feckin road!!

Hawkins001 · 27/07/2022 00:47

Personally,.at high speeds on the motorway, why do people tail gate ? What happened to common sense.

Or so people just presume, superman will stop their car if the car in front stops ?

Hawkins001 · 27/07/2022 00:48

And second of all, what the pickle are people thinking still on their phones when driving ? It's like hello, potential accident in the making.

Furries · 27/07/2022 04:21

PerseverancePays · 26/07/2022 20:12

I drive in the middle lane. There, I said it.
I find the articulated lorries intimidating with their constant weaving in and out often with none or minimal indicating of their intentions. I overtake in the fast lane, and if there’s big gaps in the slow lane I’ll travel in that one.
if I’m in the middle lane driving along at 65, what’s to stop you overtaking in the fast lane, I don’t get what the fuss is. I don’t get why speedy drivers come screaming up behind me flashing their lights when there’s plenty of space in the fast lane to overtake .
if its busy then you’re driving along at the same speed as everyone else, looking out for the ‘weavers’ , thinking of the M25.
The slow lane is for trucks, the middle lane is for people observing the speed limit, the fast lane is mostly for people exceeding the speed limit, sometimes by a lot, and for overtaking the lorries when they are doing their own overtaking manoeuvres.
On my last trip down to Stanstead, I decided to drive at 55 to save on fuel, and it was very nice; I drove in the slow lane all the way and everyone went round me. I had loads of space in front of me and nobody hassled me at all.

FML - you are a shit driver and, quite likely, the reason for this thread.

If you are not overtaking a vehicle then move across to the slow lane!

OP - I feel your pain. It’s my biggest bugbear re driving.

Furries · 27/07/2022 04:26

JenniferAllisonPhillipaSue · 26/07/2022 20:19

If there are lorries in the slow left lane and you are going past them at 65mph in the middle first over-taking lane, then no problem, you are over-taking those lorries.

If you remain in the middle overtaking lane continuing at 65mph once you have passed the lorries and there is nobody in the slow lane to your left - then you are lane hogging which annoys other drivers.

Return to the left once your over-taking manouvre is complete. Thank you.

Love this - simple summary of road rules.

As an aside, I always try to be courteous to lorries that are trying to pull out to overtake a slower vehicle. I feel a sense of solidarity when I get the “hazard lights” thank you from a vehicle much larger than mine!

Furries · 27/07/2022 04:31

MissLucyEyelesbarrow · 26/07/2022 20:35

we need to legalise undertaking on motorways in the UK

We definitely don't. I drive in the US where it is legal and it's terrifyingly dangerous. It's a key reason why they have a much higher rate of fatal road traffic accidents than us.

Agreed - undertaking should not be legal. Twats still do it in the U.K., but it’s no5 legal so it’s not the majority of drivers.

Its a PITA navigating lane huggers, let alone worrying about someone being in the way when you want to switch left for a lane (or right, in your case)

Furries · 27/07/2022 04:32

dolphinsarentcommon · 26/07/2022 20:39

There is no way I'm going to start driving in the inside lane and be constantly weaving in and out on to the middle lane to get past the caravans, lorries and 40mph drivers.

Changing lanes is the most dangerous manoeuvre on the motorway and I'll not be doing it over and over cos I want to keep up a steady 70

I'll happily drive in the inside lane if it's empty.

Then, quite frankly, you’re not a good driver.

dolphinsarentcommon · 27/07/2022 04:37

@Furries what qualifies you to think such behaviour is poor driving?

Clearly overtaking a long line of lorries or slow cars is fine.

Like I said, I'll drive in the first lane IF the flow of traffic is at a reasonable pace or empty.

This obsession with staying out of the middle lane at all costs is ridiculous.

Furries · 27/07/2022 04:40

camelfinger · 26/07/2022 22:21

I don’t drive very often (about 3 years ago), or go in cars very often, but I have noticed the huge increase in lorries over the last 20 years. So I kind of wonder if the guidance needs to change to reflect this. It seems crazy to have everyone generally all sticking to one lane with two lanes just for overtaking (or twats). Based on my not very scientific experience it seems that the left hand lane is full of lorries at about 60, the middle lane is 70-75 and the right hand lane is 75+. I’m not sure what the point of the fourth lane would be.

Have we really got to virtue signalling re motorway driving?!

Jesus, the excuses people use for not driving with correct lane protocol is baffling.

Furries · 27/07/2022 04:49

Hannakl · 26/07/2022 22:23

I don’t lane hog but I don’t mind other people doing it. Non-irate people driving at 60 miles an hour and sticking to one lane aren’t the ones causing accidents, even if it is the middle lane.

And it’s people like you that cause problems.

FML, what is it that’s so difficult to understand about motorway driving and lane etiquette?

Furries · 27/07/2022 05:00

sanityisamyth · 26/07/2022 22:27

It fucking isn't. The "slow lane" which isn't the "slow lane" it's lane 1 or the left lane is the correct driving position. Lane 2 not the middle lane is for over taking cars in lane 1. Then you PULL OVER to lane 1. Lane 3 is for overtaking lane 2. Then you PULL over to lane 2 and then to lane 1.

Reposting this. Use your lanes correctly.

Motorway driving will often mean switching lanes. If you’re not confident doing so, then please book lessons to increase your confidence.

If you drive a motorway correctly, then you’ll be switching lanes fairlyregularly. If you don’t, then you’re a twat driver.

Furries · 27/07/2022 05:08

PerseverancePays · 26/07/2022 23:41

What about when you do this ‘correct’ driving and tuck into the first lane for two minutes and then you have to wait ages for all the people in the middle lane to let you out again, the middle laners are not making any effort to use the first lane and it feels much slower to be waiting to be let out of the lorry lane to go in the middle lane then back in with the lorries. Much smoother to be mostly in the middle lane and occasionally need the outside lane when the lorries have all pulled out to do their overtaking. If there aren’t any lorries which is hardly ever, then it’s not an issue and the three lanes are much more evenly used.
I used to travel down the M11 regularly and haven’t for the last two years and I don’t miss it one bit. As for all the rage, where’s the fire? What amazing earth changing thing is it that you will do with the three and half minutes you have saved haranguing people out of the middle lane?

Have you not read any of the posts explaining correct motorway driving?

Furries · 27/07/2022 05:11

xippo · 26/07/2022 23:48

I know ill be slated but why go in the slow lane to constantly pull out for incoming traffic from junctions, pulling over from drivers doing 50mph, lorries etc.if I'm in a big stretch of the m1 then ill go in the slow lane, if not ill do like the rest of the 80% of drivers and stay in the middle.

I’ve almost given up now.

At least next time I’m cursing at idiot lane-hoggers, I’ll be (not) comforted by the fact that they are fellow MNers!

Feffalump · 27/07/2022 05:14

If everyone stuck to the rules none of these people saying they get stuck in the left lane would be an issue.

Example: 2 cars travelling at a similar speed down the left lane. Lorry coming up ahead, each car overtakes smoothly. Nobody is inconvenienced

If one car decided to sit in the middle lane, this means the other person has to slam on their brakes to wait for the other person to pass before they can pull out. If everyone is doing this, it becomes problematic.

If we all said 'well everyone else is doing it so lets all do it', then we lose an entire lane of motorway and traffic builds up.

If it's a constant stream of lorries and slower cars, then you are overtaking and you are using it correctly

It's not rocket science.

Furries · 27/07/2022 05:14

cakeorwine · 26/07/2022 23:52

You're not undertaking if you move from lane 2 to lane 1 to pass a slower vehicle in lane 2 if you just cruise past (within the speed limit) and you don't rejoin lane 2 (ie you remain in lane 1 after passing the slower vehicle

It is still dangerous. Because the car in lane 2 could move into the inside lane and not expect a car to be going past them.

It's a risky manouvre.

This - it’s a strong reason why I think undertaking should not be allowed. Motorway driving can be stressful. I don’t want to worry about cars eithe4 side of me!

garlictwist · 27/07/2022 05:16

My mum does this. She says it's because she is too scared to go in the fast lane but can't find a gap to get into to slow lane because it's full of lorries. Luckily she doesn't go on the motorway very often...