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Penny Mordaunt - sexism and university elitism

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mids2019 · 16/07/2022 08:34

Penny Mordaunt - sexism and university elitism that

Penny Mordaunt seems to being criticised in elements of the press for not having the intellectual capacity to become PM presumably because she does not have the Oxbridge degree that Rishi and Liz have. I am not conservative but I do not like insinuations that a degree from Reading somehow makes you less than capable of running the country.

Additioanlly.the press keep referring to Penny's figure (the swimsuit thing) which I think is irrelevant and distracting when it comes to election for the most important public office in the country. Again Sushi and Liz aren't treated in the same manner and it may be a political spin to portray Penny as lightweight.

For a new generation of girls that may aspire to public office in the future I think the press portrayal of Penny is shameful and betrays attitudes I thought we had left behind in the last century.

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rookiemere · 16/07/2022 10:18

mids2019 · 16/07/2022 10:07

Plenty of pictures of David Cameron and BJ in shorts.....no real comment in the press

A female MP dons a swimsuit and there are a multitude of allusions to sexuality in the press

Is this a good thing?

The pictures of BJ and DC in shorts are from their holidays.

There is a huge difference between being pictured on your holiday in clothing needed to go swimming with your DCs or sun bathe, and as an MP taking part in a voluntary event in a swimsuit.

As far as I am aware even news reporters don't go around trying to find Theresa May in her holiday cozzie, because there is no story there.

MissyCooperismyShero · 16/07/2022 10:20

mids2019 · 16/07/2022 09:56

I am not being disingenuous about the nature of politics or this particular vicious Tory infighting.

I think it is valid to criticise a politician's performance when interviewed or delivering a statement but I worry we are moving a little towards stereotyping in this case

It's an interesting discussion to what extent intelligence is necessary in senior leadership compared to softer skills. Was Boris Johnson particularly intelligent for instance? I think as a voting public we are entirely within our rights to form an opinion on our leaders but I don't think university attendance should be used as a proxy for political ability.

Agree with the trans issue. All our leaders should unambiguously support women',s rights. Being a Labour voter I am disappointed Keir Starmer wasn't fully willing to define a woman.

And as with Penny, there is no chance KS will ever be PM unless he is able to give a clear and honest definition of a woman. Neither of them can, unless that changes neither of them will be elected.

UrsulaPandress · 16/07/2022 10:23

She’s a lightweight who wouldn’t recognise a policy if it slapped her in the face. Or a woman apparently.

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Sorefrog · 16/07/2022 10:23

I find this picture of two former Conservative Prime Ministers truly obscene.

Penny Mordaunt - sexism and university elitism
Sorefrog · 16/07/2022 10:25

’As far as I am aware even news reporters don't go around trying to find Theresa May in her holiday cozzie, because there is no story there.’

No, they obsessed over her shoes.

itsgettingweird · 16/07/2022 10:36

rookiemere · 16/07/2022 09:00

From what I saw last night PM lacks the intellectual capacity to be PM as she seems incapable of coherent communication of her proposed policies or handling herself in a robust debate.

I didn't know what university she went to and I could care less what she looks like in a swimsuit.

and I'm sure when she said about being a woman she said she could have a vasectomy and that wouldn't stop her being a woman 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

itsgettingweird · 16/07/2022 10:37

Sorry should have said on the CH4 debate last night.

donquixotedelamancha · 16/07/2022 10:39

Her reputation as a lightweight isn't particularly down to her Uni. She's been criticized by people she worked directly with, for refusing to travel abroad for trade meetings, refusing press on areas of responsibility and not having a detailed grasp of her briefs.

Read her MN Q and A for a feel.for why she's seen as not tackling the details.

I'm not sure it's about being lazy or stupid so much as focused on other things. She supposedly prioritised promoting her book as trade minister and, more recently, building a leadership bid.

Couple that with her recent issues with honesty (which she covered by saying she hadn't read the bill she was putting through parliament) and I think she'd be a bad PM.

TheHouseElf · 16/07/2022 10:46

More concerned about her being a member of the WEF than having a degree from Reading.

Have read her brother is a LGBTQ+ activist which explains her allegiances, and for those reason alone would make her a complete NO as PM for me.

She worked for Amanda Platell who described her a lovely, but a bit slow. Together with Lord Frosts description, this makes her a worrying choice should she be selected, and think the country needs and deserves someone better.

rookiemere · 16/07/2022 10:46

Sorefrog · 16/07/2022 10:25

’As far as I am aware even news reporters don't go around trying to find Theresa May in her holiday cozzie, because there is no story there.’

No, they obsessed over her shoes.

Theresa's choice of shoes was very deliberate. It was her way of saying that she actually had a bit of personality and enjoyed fashion. If she wanted it to end, she would have just worn shoes unworthy of comment.

I don't think it was particularly because she was a woman that they were of note. Reporters need to latch on to something, with Boris Johnson it is his hair.

Lingoflaming · 16/07/2022 10:47

Penny Mordaunt TWAW House of Commons speech

mids2019 · 16/07/2022 11:00

If the conservatives want to hold their red wall do they need a PM that can appeal to the masses? I think Rishi"s credentials as a man if the people are non existent and his extreme wealth will give Labour a target. Possibly Penny's more modest back story may help in this regard?

There has been some mention in the press about Liz Truss"s affair with Mark Field. Is this an intensely private matter that should not be discussed in the media or is it legitimate to focus on our potential PM"s life in all its aspects?

Boris had plenty of coverage about the lack precision on his number of children and his marital infidelity and it did him no electoral harm but do you think women will be held to another standard?

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SquirrelSoShiny · 16/07/2022 11:02

TheHouseElf · 16/07/2022 10:46

More concerned about her being a member of the WEF than having a degree from Reading.

Have read her brother is a LGBTQ+ activist which explains her allegiances, and for those reason alone would make her a complete NO as PM for me.

She worked for Amanda Platell who described her a lovely, but a bit slow. Together with Lord Frosts description, this makes her a worrying choice should she be selected, and think the country needs and deserves someone better.

Yes this was mentioned yesterday, that her twin brother is gay and if he's also an activist for TQ+, based on that AND the fact she has said the things she said I would say never in a million years.

mids2019 · 16/07/2022 11:13

I agree with Penny being wrong about TWAW bit is this being highlighted to aid Rishi Sunak? Remember the conservative membership is mostly male and over 60 and presumably socially conservative so highlighting Penny's stance on this issue will not help her with that electorate.

Even if Penny became PM to here is little chance that any policy to hat further eroded women's rights would get to though parliament

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donquixotedelamancha · 16/07/2022 11:23

I think Rishi"s credentials as a man if the people are non existent and his extreme wealth will give Labour a target.

I agree he's an easy target on that but (given Labour couldn't even hit Boris I'm not sure it's fatal). He and TT seem to be the only ones with a grasp of how shit the economy is at the mo.

The Tories aren't exactly awash with hugely capable people.

donquixotedelamancha · 16/07/2022 11:25

Even if Penny became PM to here is little chance that any policy to hat further eroded women's rights would get to though parliament

But it would stall the attempts to unroot Stonewall Law from public services, which is the immediate battle.

HappydaysArehere · 16/07/2022 11:28

Sorefrog · 16/07/2022 10:09

I’m not a Conservative voter. I don’t care who wins. I don’t care about their politics.

’Mordaunt was 15 when her mother died of breast cancer and, following her twin brother in leaving school, she became her younger brother Edward's primary caregiver. The following year her father was also diagnosed with cancer, from which he recovered.’

She got jobs to pay her way while she studied and went on to be the first in her family to go to University studying Philosophy at the University of Reading and getting a 2:1. She was also President of the student union.

That ^ to me is much more impressive than someone who was funnelled through successive private schools to Oxbridge. I say that as someone who followed that route.

Agree with this. She raised £10,000 for charity by donning that swim suit and diving from a board with a bit of a bellyflop as far as I can remember. They keep mentioning her spell as a magicians assistant which helped her through University. Then joined the naval reserve for awhile. Other experiences in government but none of that matters as she is poked at by the supporters of others for referring to pregnant mothers. So when men become mothers I will take notice of the criticism.Also philosophy is a subject that needs a great deal of intellect to even begin to get your head around.

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