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"You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want..."

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yourestandingonmyneck · 26/06/2022 23:40

Could somebody please explain this quote that's going around on social media?

It lists examples of women who need an abortion for various reasons. And then at the end says

"You can argue and say that I'm pro choice all you like. But the truth is I am pro life. Pro womens lives."

I don't really get it? It is being shared by people who are disappointed in the reversal of Roe vs Wade and who are presumably pro-choice.....so I don't really understand the last paragraph which seems to be denying this?

I am pro choice. And I openly say I'm pro choice. I wouldn't argue with somebody about that and say "you can say I'm pro choice all you like but...". Because I just am pro-choice. There's no "but" about it.

Is it just clumsily worded? It reads to me like pro choice is a bad thing and the writer is attempting to distance them self from it?

Also the list of women who should be entitled to an abortion....well, yes, obviously, but what about women who just don't want a child and fell pregnant by mistake? It's every womans right to choose, not just the women in the examples who are in awful situations but are actually in the minority of people who have abortions.

I saw this once or twice in the last few weeks and thought it was just a bit clumsy. But I'm just seeing it all over the place now and I find it a bit odd that it seems to have been adopted as the go-to thing to share in support of the current abortion issue?

"You can argue and say that I'm pro-choice all you want..."
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yourestandingonmyneck · 27/06/2022 08:43

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 27/06/2022 07:07

I have to say, I think the final paragraph is extremely clear in terms of the point that’s being made about how narrow the definition of the word ‘life’ is when used by those who are arguing for the ban on abortions.

That's the thing though, I don't think it is.

"You can argue and say I'm pro choice all you like..."

Sounds like being pro choice is something to be ashamed of and something that people deny.

I can see what they are trying to do though, I get it now, I do still feel it's a bit clumsy though, but the sentiment is there.

Thank you all, a lot of very helpful and informative responses.

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yourestandingonmyneck · 27/06/2022 08:48

To expand on my previous post:

If somebody asked me if I was pro choice I wouldn't say "no, I'm pro life. Pro womens lives". I would say "yes, I'm pro choice".

"I'm pro life...pro womens lives" just sounds a bit "pro choice lite" to me.

I'm not pro choice because I don't want women to die. I'm pro choice because women have the RIGHT to choose. And because they might not want a baby for any number of reasons. No only when it's a life or death situation.

I just think calling it pro womens lives is diluting it a bit.

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ErrolTheDragon · 27/06/2022 08:57

I agree it's clumsy, and being pro choice is something to be proud rather than ashamed of.

I think it may be good to say, I'm pro choice and pro womens lives though.

picklemewalnuts · 27/06/2022 08:59

It's highlighting that it's not only the baby's life at stake. It's the mother's, too.

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 27/06/2022 09:10

It's a US thing for the US context - as pp said above, the anti abortionists call themselves pro-life, pro abortion is called pro-choice. This message is an attempt by the pro-choice group to appropriate the pro life language. It doesn't make much sense to us because we don't use that language. And possibly because the whole issue is mind-boggling to our European liberal minds.

Choopi · 27/06/2022 09:12

I think it is clear. I also think it makes a really important point when you are talking about banning abortion. Abortions save lives, without legalised abortion women die. I would have died if abortion was illegal. Only a few days ago an American tourist had to be airlifted to Spain to have an abortion because she was having a miscarriage, at risk of sepsis but there was still a heartbeat so a d&c couldn't be performed in Malta.

Being pro choice is great, everyone should have the choice 100% for whatever reason but women will die if there is a total ban on abortion and its really important that the people that call themselves 'pro life' understand this. It isn't all about 'saving babies' it is also about killing women.

Choopi · 27/06/2022 09:17

LadyGardenersQuestionTime · 27/06/2022 09:10

It's a US thing for the US context - as pp said above, the anti abortionists call themselves pro-life, pro abortion is called pro-choice. This message is an attempt by the pro-choice group to appropriate the pro life language. It doesn't make much sense to us because we don't use that language. And possibly because the whole issue is mind-boggling to our European liberal minds.

What do you mean? Pro choice and pro life are used in Europe all of the time. The UK has women with really limited access to abortion, women that still have to travel to another country to access abortion, NI women are crying out for people to hear them and help them, abortion services there are practically non existent.

Luidaeg · 27/06/2022 09:19

LadyApplejack · 27/06/2022 08:10

I could have written all this, including the bolded quote from a PP. I understand the intent behind them, but these long posts painting some women as more worthy of their innate right to bodily autonomy doesn't sit right for me.

Also, it invites the "pro-lifers" to say, "ok then we will allow it in X, Y, Z scenario" - which doesn't help the women out there who wouldn't meet the sob story threshold.

Also, it invites the "pro-lifers" to say, "ok then we will allow it in X, Y, Z scenario" - which doesn't help the women out there who wouldn't meet the sob story threshold.

Which effectively says if you had sex for fun, but not against your will, then you cannot have an abortion - if you were raped, or a victim of incest, then you can have an abortion

Why is the rapist baby less important than the sex for fun baby - they're not, they are both babies in which case why can the woman who was raped have an abortion, but not the lady who just wanted to have sex and not be pregnant?

I shared the image quote on facebook, but added a part about a woman who just doesnt want to be pregnant for any fucking reason

ErrolTheDragon · 27/06/2022 09:32

Only a few days ago an American tourist had to be airlifted to Spain to have an abortion because she was having a miscarriage, at risk of sepsis but there was still a heartbeat so a d&c couldn't be performed in Malta.

How the hell can anyone who supports that stance describe themselves as 'pro-life'?Angry it's happened in the past in Ireland, it's happening now in other European countries where the callous disregard for women's lives allows a woman to die for the sake of a few moments more meaningless 'life' for a foetus which can't survive anyway.

Choopi · 27/06/2022 09:46

ErrolTheDragon · 27/06/2022 09:32

Only a few days ago an American tourist had to be airlifted to Spain to have an abortion because she was having a miscarriage, at risk of sepsis but there was still a heartbeat so a d&c couldn't be performed in Malta.

How the hell can anyone who supports that stance describe themselves as 'pro-life'?Angry it's happened in the past in Ireland, it's happening now in other European countries where the callous disregard for women's lives allows a woman to die for the sake of a few moments more meaningless 'life' for a foetus which can't survive anyway.

Yup. And she was 'lucky' in a way that she was a tourist so her travel insurance paid for her to be airlifted to Spain. I dread to think what would have happened to a local woman in the same situation.

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