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Electric pay as you go vs direct debit

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twomumsonebump · 25/06/2022 20:14

Hi all! DW and I are just about to move into a new flat. It's set up on gas/electric pay as you go top up cards which is fine but we can switch to direct debit if we want.

Which would work out cheaper in the long run?

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BarbaraofSeville · 26/06/2022 10:36

drinkingwineoutofamug · 26/06/2022 09:49

Definitely.
I panicked and put extra on my gas meter in April. £50. I've seriously not topped it up since! This is 3 adults , 3 bed house , gas CH and cooker.
Electric £50 pm does us as well.

Of course you haven't needed to top up your gas account since April, it's summer and your heating is off. How much do you need to top up in January when it's - 5 C outside?

We pay by direct debit and our last gas bill was £12 for the month so likely similar to yours. But if we're both on the price cap our unit cost and standing charge is less than yours even if we're currently paying more per month than you because we pay the same amount all year round.

drinkingwineoutofamug · 26/06/2022 11:07

@BarbaraofSeville
It's also so cheap as we don't have full central heating.
A DD based on a 3 bed house was £80 pm
I only have radiators in dinning room and 2 bedrooms.
British Gas went off my postcode and bedroom numbers not on partial central heating.
So my electric in the winter is more than my gas.
Maybe I don't explain myself properly.
I have electric heaters in my living room and third bedroom. A heat bulb in the bathroom. And extra blankets.

DeltaAlphaDelta · 26/06/2022 16:37

Morph22010 · 26/06/2022 09:31

how do prepayment meters work? I’ve always assume you were putting credit onto the meter and then electricity would be used up at its current cost at the time of useage, the way you’ve described it it’s sounds like you are paying for the electricity in advance and then using it, so you got it cheaper by topping up before price increase. Which is it?

We topped up ours before the price increase on 1st April, so use since then has been charged at the rates before that date. The max we could top up was £250 each on gas and electric.

Our energy company conformed that the old rates would still apply to credit put on before the increase.

We have used about £60 a month since then so its about right.

We have never paid more in winter, as we top up the same each month and usually have some left over that builds up over the year.

We are careful in the winter with heating, but had a new boiler two years, plus new windows, doors and other bits that increase insulation over the last few years and its really made a difference. We have never paid more over the winter, although obviously expect to this year once our old rate credit is used up.

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DeltaAlphaDelta · 26/06/2022 16:38

Fuwari · 26/06/2022 08:14

I’m on pre pay meters and I like the control element. If it starts running out too quickly (which it hasn’t yet) I can tweak my usage to get it down a bit. I too am not paying anywhere near what people I know on DD’s are paying. Even in winter my bills won’t be higher than theirs. When we had that cold snap just after the price rises I was using my heating for several hours a day while other people were freezing and layering up.

I know what the facts/calculations say, but it just isn’t my experience.

Our experience is exactly the same.

SusieSimpleman · 26/06/2022 16:57

The point is that it doesn't matter if you use £50 worth of energy a month or £500.

If you're on a prepayment meter and were charged £50 for your electric in May - that WOULD have been lower had you been a billed customer rather than prepayment, because the rates are always lower for billed customers.

If you're actively choosing a prepayment meter, you're choosing to be charged more.

DeltaAlphaDelta · 26/06/2022 17:06

I get that the amount per unit is higher, but using it the same, we pay less a month on prepayment than we did on DD.

When we first moved in, we paid DD but when we switched to prepayment we paid less for the same usage. Even during the winter when we use heating, weve never paid significantly more than we do in the summer.

DD payment is partially worked out on an expected use, rather than actual use so its easy to pay for electric that you haven't actually used.

BarbaraofSeville · 26/06/2022 17:12

The direct debit might have been higher but it builds up as a credit in your account and you will get it back or it will go towards future usage.

You do not pay less for the same use on prepay because the rates are higher than on DD. It is simply not possible for it to work out like that.

Discovereads · 26/06/2022 17:16

DeltaAlphaDelta · 26/06/2022 17:06

I get that the amount per unit is higher, but using it the same, we pay less a month on prepayment than we did on DD.

When we first moved in, we paid DD but when we switched to prepayment we paid less for the same usage. Even during the winter when we use heating, weve never paid significantly more than we do in the summer.

DD payment is partially worked out on an expected use, rather than actual use so its easy to pay for electric that you haven't actually used.

It is literally impossible to pay more under DD than with prepayment for the same usage.

The DD payment is based on expected or historical use, but you never pay for electric or gas you do not use as every quarter they calculate expected usage vs actual usage and tell you if you are in credit or not.

Noglassjustthebottleandastraw · 26/06/2022 17:21

I have a top up meter it was here when I moved in. I absolutely love it. When the increase happened this year we only went up £5 a week. We are in a 3 bed house with a heavy electric use per day. We are £130 per month. We are all electric no gas. I top my meter up with extra so it covers the extra winter use. The meters hold £1k in credit.

sobeyondthehills · 26/06/2022 17:22

I know that you are talking just money, but depending on your meter and where it is, will also depend if you can have a smart meter, if not, then you have to physically go to the shops, if you are with British Gas, then you can only really top up at post offices, so it might be worth factoring in your time as well, if you are forced to top up via cards and keys

Noglassjustthebottleandastraw · 26/06/2022 17:26

@sobeyondthehills you can top up via a app or can phone and top up.

NewBootsAndRanty · 26/06/2022 17:28

CombatBarbie · 26/06/2022 09:36

My energy company doesn't charge me the daily charge because we're on DD. They have a DD tariff and a pay on receipt of bill tariff. Never had pre payment but my parents have and I know their daily charge and p/kw is higher than the norm.

@CombatBarbie which supplier doesn't apply daily/standing charges for DD customers please?

sobeyondthehills · 26/06/2022 17:33

Noglassjustthebottleandastraw · 26/06/2022 17:26

@sobeyondthehills you can top up via a app or can phone and top up.

No, I cant, I have to physially top up both meters

CombatBarbie · 26/06/2022 20:47

NewBootsAndRanty · 26/06/2022 17:28

@CombatBarbie which supplier doesn't apply daily/standing charges for DD customers please?

Outfox the market, one of the few smaller eco companies that have not gone bust.

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