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Cost of living conspiracy? 🧐

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Neverendingdust · 14/06/2022 15:44

Don your tin foil hats people! I’ve fallen down a cost of living rabbit hole and the more I think about it the more it maybe starts to make sense… the food price threads got me pondering if there’s more to this than meets the eye…

Cynical me is wondering if this whole situation is actually a clandestine coordinated global effort to encourage us all to consume fewer resources going forward? We have all been used to an over abundance of choice and convenience which is then driven by low prices which in turn encourages over consumption and so the cycle continues. Particular attention goes to the majority of us who aren’t wealthy or powerful, it’s a lot of cogs to keep turning long term especially as the populations grow further, our current rates of consumption are unsustainable.

Is it a supply chain issue induced by Covid or is it an artificially designed geopolitical/supply chain issue brought in to slow us down?

Could our choices be deliberately narrowed by stealth to get us used to having less? The sheer amount of wasted food from overstocked supermarkets would see a shift to them carrying fewer lines, limiting meats and dairy produce for example which have always been known to be environmentally unfriendly, perhaps reducing supplies of imported goods which are also bad for the environment such as fruits and meats as they slowly become unaffordable luxuries.

Yes we have Brexit to cast some blame on to but food and fuel prices prices are increasing everywhere and yet as far as I can tell wages aren’t exactly playing catch up in any nation…

Butter, cheese, milk, meat, clothing, fuel, cosmetics, fruits and so on are all fast becoming considered purchases for most average income brackets whereas before people would think nothing of buying in excess.

Thoughts?

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Chaoslatte · 14/06/2022 17:14

3amAndImStillAwake · 14/06/2022 16:21

I think this theory requires a level of coordination and competence beyond our esteemed leaders.

Who are you suggesting is behind it all?

This. Anyone who believes in governmental/international conspiracies has clearly never worked in government!

FloorWipes · 14/06/2022 17:43

No it’s not a conspiracy it’s just demand and supply, within a context of planetary boundaries and regulatory environments etc.

Look up chaos theory and complex systems. Consider that as we reach certain resource limits things don’t collapse (and reorder) in a nice linear way. You get seemingly unconnected events like wars and pandemics with their individual impacts. Governments respond of course. These things aren’t connected by conspiracies but ultimately by over arching laws of physics. We are butting up against boundaries of production dictated by natural laws on planet earth with our scare resources and limited technological capabilities. So prices go up; the market mechanism rations accordingly. We aren’t really in control. I wish someone was but they sadly aren’t.

You are sort of noticing the pattern correctly but interpreting it wrongly in my opinion.

Ohthatsexciting · 14/06/2022 17:44

Your logic ONLY makes sense if the Green Party were in power

otherwise it’s pure nonsense

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about these subjects:

FilterWash · 14/06/2022 17:47

Everyone tightens their belts, the suppliers slowly reduce - everything and everyone slowly becomes more lean…

Have you been outdoors recently?

Cornettoninja · 14/06/2022 17:54

3amAndImStillAwake · 14/06/2022 17:06

pushing people in to poverty and hunger risks pushing up birth rates

Does that happen?

Well it’s been observed, yes. Survival instinct (poverty and hunger increases infant and childhood mortality), contraception availability, boredom (increasing consensual sex), increased assaults in a society unable to provide sufficient law and order, increases in sex as an asset to be traded, increase in mind altering addictions leading to unsafe sex. It’s just biology but all those things can significantly increase a countries birth rate.

Cornettoninja · 14/06/2022 17:56

FloorWipes · 14/06/2022 17:43

No it’s not a conspiracy it’s just demand and supply, within a context of planetary boundaries and regulatory environments etc.

Look up chaos theory and complex systems. Consider that as we reach certain resource limits things don’t collapse (and reorder) in a nice linear way. You get seemingly unconnected events like wars and pandemics with their individual impacts. Governments respond of course. These things aren’t connected by conspiracies but ultimately by over arching laws of physics. We are butting up against boundaries of production dictated by natural laws on planet earth with our scare resources and limited technological capabilities. So prices go up; the market mechanism rations accordingly. We aren’t really in control. I wish someone was but they sadly aren’t.

You are sort of noticing the pattern correctly but interpreting it wrongly in my opinion.

Very astute. I believe peak oil is only forty years off (predictions) and we don’t seem particularly ahead of the game.

it was a nice century I suppose šŸ¤·ā€ā™€ļø

MarshaBradyo · 14/06/2022 17:59

FloorWipes · 14/06/2022 17:43

No it’s not a conspiracy it’s just demand and supply, within a context of planetary boundaries and regulatory environments etc.

Look up chaos theory and complex systems. Consider that as we reach certain resource limits things don’t collapse (and reorder) in a nice linear way. You get seemingly unconnected events like wars and pandemics with their individual impacts. Governments respond of course. These things aren’t connected by conspiracies but ultimately by over arching laws of physics. We are butting up against boundaries of production dictated by natural laws on planet earth with our scare resources and limited technological capabilities. So prices go up; the market mechanism rations accordingly. We aren’t really in control. I wish someone was but they sadly aren’t.

You are sort of noticing the pattern correctly but interpreting it wrongly in my opinion.

Agree with this

I wonder about limited technological capabilities part but the rest yes

Scarce resources are globally felt, some countries will have a much harder time, developing for example needing food

FourTeaFallOut · 14/06/2022 18:03

SleepingStandingUp · 14/06/2022 16:29

I'm clearly thick but what are the numbers? Comparative inflation, %, what? On what produce over what time?

Across the year, I think. So, May 21-May22 and the preceding month April 21-April 22. That's my best guess, I'm not claiming any authority on the matter, nor do I have a DH who works very high up 😁

FourTeaFallOut · 14/06/2022 18:04

And as for which foods, I don't know. I'm just pointing to fact that the over consumers in the world are not being hit the worst, which undermines the op's conspiracy somewhat.

fruitbrewhaha · 14/06/2022 18:07

No what happened was during Covid governments "printed" more money, they didn't actually print it because it's electronic but you get the idea. They then gave this money to their mates to provide PPE and Body bags etc, also for furlough scheme and loans to businesses. This extra billions of £ floating around in the systems causes inflation. So what is really happening is the same of if we were heavily taxed to pay for Covid. It's just another method governments use to transfer money from the regular people to the wealthy elite.

woodhill · 14/06/2022 18:20

I don't think you are wrong

Also governments can control population with food scarcity especially UK being an island

Blahblahblah21 · 14/06/2022 18:24

It’s all about control! Brexit, terrorism, Covid and now cost of living. Keeps the plebs in their place. 😔

ImplementingTheDennisSystem · 14/06/2022 18:26

I've considered this myself OP.
During the depths of the Covid response and the total inability to voice concerns about it publicly, I went deep down a conspiracy worm hole.
I did at one point wonder if what, to me, was a totally overblown response to the Covid threat (ie lockdowns) was actually a coordinated global response to get us all doing and consuming less.
Someone up thread asked 'who would profit?' The answer is noone. But we've been warned about global warming for decades and perhaps the governments know something we don't - that the threat is now SO severe that it's neccessary to take immediate drastic action or face certain death.

Crunchymum · 14/06/2022 18:29

I think you overestimate how much big businesses and government care about the planet (they don't!!)

Coriandersucks · 14/06/2022 18:32

Leaders of the leaders? Who are you talking about here? Might want to pull yourself out of that rabbit hole before it’s too late op…

Sparro · 14/06/2022 18:45

Maybe the leaders of the leaders?

Who are...?

Who are this shadowy group who are conspiring to ot up the price of food to save the environment?

ElectricDeChocobo · 14/06/2022 18:47

KittensTeaAndCake · 14/06/2022 16:10

I think there is something going on but I have no clue what.

Apparently Bill Gates has bought thousands of acres of farmland in the states and loads of food production sites have burnt down over there too. Could all just be a coincidence I suppose šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™€ļø

I'm always amazed at how much power tin-foil hatters think Bull Gates actually has.

woodhill · 14/06/2022 19:07

New world order

Cornettoninja · 14/06/2022 19:14

woodhill · 14/06/2022 19:07

New world order

You have to ask yourself where the evidence is for the NWO during other pivotal changes in civilisation/the emergence of homosapians and consider that actually, it’s really, really, like almost 99.9% not the case. The truth is almost always a horrendously boring series of events.

WhereYouLeftIt · 14/06/2022 19:15

3amAndImStillAwake · 14/06/2022 16:21

I think this theory requires a level of coordination and competence beyond our esteemed leaders.

Who are you suggesting is behind it all?

This.

Plus, someone would disagree and blow the whistle.

No, its a perfect storm of lots of things, not a conspiracy. To be honest it was inevitable. When everything is increasingly automated, increasingly interdependent, run on Just In Time principles - well there's just no resilience in 'the system' any more, is there? One thing fails and all the things dependant on that one thing fail too, and the failure cascades down the dependancies.

Wasn't there an ancient civilisation that failed because their water supply system got so complicated that no-one knew all the dependancies any more? That's where we are now. (Aren't I cheerful!)

Sparro · 14/06/2022 19:15

woodhill · 14/06/2022 19:07

New world order

Well that clears it up šŸ™„

woodhill · 14/06/2022 19:15

šŸ˜…

Neverendingdust · 14/06/2022 20:30

FloorWipes · 14/06/2022 17:43

No it’s not a conspiracy it’s just demand and supply, within a context of planetary boundaries and regulatory environments etc.

Look up chaos theory and complex systems. Consider that as we reach certain resource limits things don’t collapse (and reorder) in a nice linear way. You get seemingly unconnected events like wars and pandemics with their individual impacts. Governments respond of course. These things aren’t connected by conspiracies but ultimately by over arching laws of physics. We are butting up against boundaries of production dictated by natural laws on planet earth with our scare resources and limited technological capabilities. So prices go up; the market mechanism rations accordingly. We aren’t really in control. I wish someone was but they sadly aren’t.

You are sort of noticing the pattern correctly but interpreting it wrongly in my opinion.

I’m curious to know in what way do you interpret this pattern? How does the stack of cards reshuffle itself when we’re all seemingly stuck on this never ending inflationary spiral?

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Neverendingdust · 14/06/2022 20:34

WhereYouLeftIt · 14/06/2022 19:15

This.

Plus, someone would disagree and blow the whistle.

No, its a perfect storm of lots of things, not a conspiracy. To be honest it was inevitable. When everything is increasingly automated, increasingly interdependent, run on Just In Time principles - well there's just no resilience in 'the system' any more, is there? One thing fails and all the things dependant on that one thing fail too, and the failure cascades down the dependancies.

Wasn't there an ancient civilisation that failed because their water supply system got so complicated that no-one knew all the dependancies any more? That's where we are now. (Aren't I cheerful!)

I agree to a degree but literally everything is increasing in cost or becoming difficult to find. Yes the knock on effects will have repercussions to an extent but, everything? 😳

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Ruralbliss · 14/06/2022 20:38

I work in central government and despite the best efforts of my amazing colleagues we can't even organise coordinated changes to things we have power and control over via laws and systems. If you saw the shit show I see trying to improve the way business rates are managed across local governments you'd have low confidence in the idea you've put forward.