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Emily bridges

59 replies

nearlyspringyay · 07/06/2022 22:08

What is this interview, what are any of them
trying to achieve? I cannot get on board with this.

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timeisnotaline · 08/06/2022 06:54

@VeniVidiWeeWee easy off. Did you want to post on this thread or just any thread where you could find someone to take a pop?

Pennox · 08/06/2022 06:58

Its all part of the tactics. Just report and ignore.

GoldenLightNights · 08/06/2022 07:21

Saw this interview, she refuses to acknowledge that going through male puberty has given her a physiological advantage over women.

Interestingly she said wouldn’t race again with men, she wouldn’t put herself through that!

Dreikanter · 08/06/2022 08:11

GoldenLightNights · 08/06/2022 07:21

Saw this interview, she refuses to acknowledge that going through male puberty has given her a physiological advantage over women.

Interestingly she said wouldn’t race again with men, she wouldn’t put herself through that!

And yet here’s Emily racing with and against men and winning medals at the end of February?

Looks like the men on the team were being all lovely and inclusive?

Emily bridges
Clymene · 08/06/2022 08:58

As a poster on the other thread about this interview in FWR has pointed out, Emily decided to hold off on transitioning until their Olympic hopes of competing in the male team were dashed by injury, meaning they were dropped from the elite squad. How fortunate there was a back up option!

jacintaq · 08/06/2022 13:08

So Emily competed with the men in that race before transitioning and with the women in the 'inclusive' race after transitioning?

Badger1970 · 08/06/2022 13:14

I found "her" to be entitled, arrogant and to have no compassion.

I don't have any issue with anyone born into the "wrong body". In fact, you can't help but feel compassion.

But that doesn't give you the right to then walk all over others, sorry, Emily.

Dreikanter · 08/06/2022 13:16

jacintaq · 08/06/2022 13:08

So Emily competed with the men in that race before transitioning and with the women in the 'inclusive' race after transitioning?

From the ITV interview, Emily was competing as Emily in February but was waiting to complete the required 12 months of lowered testosterone levels.

jacintaq · 08/06/2022 13:19

Oh ok. Thanks @Dreikanter

334bu · 08/06/2022 13:25

Just a month shy of 12 months of testosterone reduction and still winning men's races. So much for levelling the differences between male and female performance in fact Emily seems to prove it can't be done.

lifeturnsonadime · 08/06/2022 15:24

Emily doesn't care about the other competitors. All that matters to Emily is what Emily wants.

Emily is trying to invoke male privilege by asking the other competitors to set aside the truth to their own disadvantage.

This is where 'be kind' leads to. No thank you Emily.

Elsiebear90 · 08/06/2022 15:36

It’s funny that you don’t see trans men fighting to be included in male athletics, presumably because they know they’d be at a distinct disadvantage (and also weren’t socialised with male privilege). If it’s just about equality and inclusivity where are all the trans men fighting to join male sports teams?

I believe the main motivation of trans women trying to force their way into women’s sport is that they know they have a clear advantage over actual women, so they have everything to gain and nothing to lose. It’s not about inclusivity or equality at all, it’s about taking advantage of a loophole that allows them to compete and win at much higher levels than with their own sex.

Snog · 08/06/2022 15:38

Regardless of how they identify, people born as males still expect and demand privilege and preferential treatment and rights over people born as females.

This is patriarchy in action. Women are well on the way back to having all the rights privilege and autonomy of chattel.
We surely need to challenge but I don't feel that there is a clear way to do this effectively.

Glittertwins · 08/06/2022 16:30

lifeturnsonadime · 08/06/2022 15:24

Emily doesn't care about the other competitors. All that matters to Emily is what Emily wants.

Emily is trying to invoke male privilege by asking the other competitors to set aside the truth to their own disadvantage.

This is where 'be kind' leads to. No thank you Emily.

This absolutely!

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 08/06/2022 16:34

lifeturnsonadime · 08/06/2022 15:24

Emily doesn't care about the other competitors. All that matters to Emily is what Emily wants.

Emily is trying to invoke male privilege by asking the other competitors to set aside the truth to their own disadvantage.

This is where 'be kind' leads to. No thank you Emily.

Completely agree. Hopefully the tide is turning and people are beginning to see Emilys kind of statements for the bullshit it really is. Womens sport needs to be protected.

buckeejit · 08/06/2022 21:11

'It's not fair!' Oh Lordy, what are you saying? Other females too. Ffs, neither female nor a woman, just by saying no they don't accept that progressing through male puberty is a benefit to them. Argh, it's so infuriating.

Coming for female is a step too far though.

Dreikanter · 08/06/2022 21:58

Yes, female is now the term they’re going after, having already colonised woman (and now it’s becoming trans woman and non trans woman - ffs it’s just WOMAN).

VirginiaWr · 08/06/2022 22:40

Deeply unfair for the young mum pictured on the podium holding her child who came ‘third’; she was the only person on a podium who could actually birth a child, and conceive one, via a vagina, for the only category of the Thundercrit race that women could enter.

TheHomeContact · 08/06/2022 22:46

Elsiebear90 · 08/06/2022 15:36

It’s funny that you don’t see trans men fighting to be included in male athletics, presumably because they know they’d be at a distinct disadvantage (and also weren’t socialised with male privilege). If it’s just about equality and inclusivity where are all the trans men fighting to join male sports teams?

I believe the main motivation of trans women trying to force their way into women’s sport is that they know they have a clear advantage over actual women, so they have everything to gain and nothing to lose. It’s not about inclusivity or equality at all, it’s about taking advantage of a loophole that allows them to compete and win at much higher levels than with their own sex.

Actually.... Lots of transmen compete in men's sports. I've known several personally who have, including contact sports.

Something which probably helps this stay quieter is that transmen who have medically transitioned for a few years, with or without lower surgery, are really hard to notice. Many transwomen, more so those who transition later in life, don't always quite achieve the same level of passing.

In the contact sports I played, transmen were welcomed. And I know of transwomen who play the same sport. Supported, and fully part of their teams.

Most times, transwomen don't win their races or sports. Many are actually appalling after hormone treatment. Wins can occur but not often enough for it to be some massive issue. And they regulate the testosterone level very closely, to the point that women who were born women and never identified out of that label, who critics have slated for not looking womanly enough, pretty enough, dainty enough, have been tested and discovered to have higher levels of testosterone despite being genetically female.

And there's a case I read about the other day where a woman has been prevented from continuing her sport because they discovered she has xxy chromosomes. As far as she was aware, she was born a woman. But people's paranoia about whether a woman is even a woman, based on something as superficial and insulting as her natural appearance, means she now loses out.

Testosterone levels in a transwoman have to be much lower than natal womens' natural testosterone levels, to be allowed to compete in women's categories. This is in part why many transwomen don't perform well at all.

TheHomeContact · 08/06/2022 22:55

VirginiaWr · 08/06/2022 22:40

Deeply unfair for the young mum pictured on the podium holding her child who came ‘third’; she was the only person on a podium who could actually birth a child, and conceive one, via a vagina, for the only category of the Thundercrit race that women could enter.

Many natal women cannot conceive, and/or cannot birth a child. Pick on something else if you feel the need to put others down - you're only causing harm and distress to women with fertility issues when you drag that line up. Have a heart.

timeisnotaline · 08/06/2022 22:56

Testosterone levels in a transwoman have to be much lower than natal womens' natural testosterone levels, to be allowed to compete in women's categories. This is in part why many transwomen don't perform well at all.
this is absolute rubbish, do you believe that? The testosterone limits have been 10 and 5 for transwomen variously for different sports and that is well above the womens average level, someone can share a chart I’m sure showing how ridiculously high that level would be for a natal women (I’m not saying there are none, but this statement of yours is untrue as is your other one about they tightly regulate testosterone to well below a natal womans). So it would be unreasonable to believe anything you say given how untrue those statements are.

jacintaq · 09/06/2022 01:57

I thought it wasn't just testosterone that would give a biological male physique the advantage?

Pocodaku · 09/06/2022 02:31

Women are not just men with low testosterone. Besides, many developmental biologists and sports scientists have done research on how male puberty gives male-sexed people numerous physical advantages.

Here’s a paper that explains it very well: Journal of Sports Medicine

sashh · 09/06/2022 03:32

Most times, transwomen don't win their races or sports. Many are actually appalling after hormone treatment. Wins can occur but not often enough for it to be some massive issue. And they regulate the testosterone level very closely, to the point that women who were born women and never identified out of that label, who critics have slated for not looking womanly enough, pretty enough, dainty enough, have been tested and discovered to have higher levels of testosterone despite being genetically female.

Out of a long BS post this is the most BS I have seen in a long time.

I'd like to see the proposal to get funding for a study, "I ant to find women who don't look girly and test their testosterone because: reasons"

I bet you also believe in the male / female brain too.

MustaWrap · 09/06/2022 05:41

jacintaq · 09/06/2022 01:57

I thought it wasn't just testosterone that would give a biological male physique the advantage?

It isn't just testosterone. That's highly reductive but is all people like Bridges want anyone to consider. It's basically the only thing they can change - they can't do anything about their greater muscle power, height, pelvic shape, or any of the other aspects of male physiology that makes them faster.

As the Spiked article showed, Emily's times at the university championships will beat U.K. women elite times. Emily was dropped from the elite men's squad.

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