Common sense view of the Heard and Depp trial from ozzy man

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Yeah nah yeah, I'll get my final video review of the trial out soon. For those who have followed the case everyday for 6 weeks this result is in no way a shock. I see a lot of journalists writing about chilling effects for abuse victims because of this trial, how the internet has behaved poorly, and how support has come from far-right wing folks and men's rights activists (of which I am fair dinkum neither of those bloody things, nor am I a paid influencer for some clandestine Depp marketing machine, that's ridiculous). Honestly, I reckon journalists should disclose at the beginning of their opinion pieces if they've watched the trial every day, for every hour, or not. That will help inform readers if a thought-piece has a potential agenda vs aiming for sincere objectivity and discussion.

At this point in time I kinda feel like... there's people who have watched it all. And there's people who have not. If you've watched it all, you immediately know if someone else has watched it all. Which is funny. Like, ya fucken know immediately. I'd like to offer a counter-argument to many journalists and news outlets: this trial is a positive for abuse victims, the internet has behaved WELL - using a culturally massive form of communication to bring light and truth to an intensely serious topic, and in regard to far right wing folk and any misogynistic men's rights activists 🤷‍♂️ I dunno, don't give 'em the spotlight. Good things get hijacked by dickheads all the time. This is not news. Ignore 'em. That's me immediate critical analysis of this situation. What a bloody journey and well done, Johnny. Cheers!

Amber Heard has single handedly put back the case for women suffering DV by years.

She's given the misogynists all the ammo they need to hammer women even more
The blind Defense of the indefensible by #metoo and the like has harmed their valid message and the rights of all women.

Well done amber

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How many more threads?🥱

Isn't it an important and current topic then?

women don’t have to be perfect to be protected from male violence.

women shouldn’t still be being punished for not conforming to Victorian ideals of femininity.

modern day witch hunts aren’t something to celebrate.

a uk court found that he had abused her.

men with substance abuse problems and a nasty temper aren’t heroes - DARVO

We get it, you don't support female victims unless they are Perfect.

The trial was about whether JD (and AH for that matter) were libelled.

the nature of the allegations are another matter.

people lie. That’s all that we’ve seen in this action. He lied in print. She lied in print, in court she was shown over and over to have lied about all kinds of things.

it’s absolutely wrong to make this whole thing about domestic violence. It’s not about that, it’s about Amber saying things in the press that she knew weren’t true, about her ex, for malicious purposes. That’s what got her successfully sued.

on the general subject, I really wanted to believe her. I’m a victim myself. But the things she were saying were the things my ex said. The things JD described were what I experienced. Also what my lovely oh experienced at the hands of his ex too.

I see the refusal to believe that a woman can be the aggressor as very much part of the broader problem tbh. Of course the vast, vast majority of women who report abuse are telling the truth, but that does not mean that all are. If we want women to be afforded the full rights of a human being, we have to accept their status as a human being and assuming victimhood does not do that. This is not a comment on Amber btw, it's a general thought.

@MzHz Yes, she said he abused her, as he in fact did.

If you think a jury verdict can never be wrong, your knowledge of the justice system must be very limited.

I've not seen anyone posting on this topic say that a woman cannot be an aggressor. Do feel free to link the post if I've missed it - that's very possible with such an active subject.

Otherwise I will have to assume this is just the MRA talking point again.

My god I am not an MRA - how offensive! I don't know how to search well on this but there are plenty of examples of people saying things like this. Your comment TBH can be read like that - someone saying some women are aggressors must be a MRA? Why?

My problem with JD are the fact he half explained his addictions but slyly never actually took responsibility for them?
Always blaming someone else.

He's a massive addict.

Addicts lie.

He's given his own dd panic attacks ,that doesn't just spring out of no where she will have seen maddness many times.

VP was on the phone for 5 long hours talking to him About his drinking! He said ..I'm dead in lily rosé eyes, she suspects me of drinking again and she's right so I can't admit it.

I feel sorry for anyone who gets involved with an addict because the addiction comes first.

It's not hard to see how amber's girl friend role become one of nursemaid and worrier.

Many things don't add up from her testimony. Her bizarre delivery with no tears? So odd and her claims he repeatedly hit her in the face?

But no swelling or bruises?
Her back in Tokyo? In a backless dress and no way to cover her back?
Surely if you're that concerned about the back you would grab a scarf?

plenty of examples in the AIBU to wonder why so many people assume Johnny Depp is the good guy and Amber Heard is the villain thread I think. I don't think I am allowed to paste specific posts?

Both of their dealing with "fights "was bizarre.

But it's ultimately her I feel sorry for because she was getting involved with a major addict and a perfect set up to keep his addictions going.

Johnny Depp laughs in court and he's cool,she does and she's a witch.
His lawyer goes for the jugular and she's Amazing, hers does and they are mean and like the Hulk.
This has certainly shown me Just how misogynistic and dreadul our society can be.
The bottom line is we got an eye view of a relationship gone very wrong...no one was murdered,died and that's it.
She's had more hate directed towards her then Putin!

The power of celebrity , Johnny Depp will be the next president of the USA!

I've made the decision to stay off Facebook and Twitter this weekend because of this.
I've found the misogyny and nastiness very upsetting.
The eagerness of people to mock and disbelieve a crying woman even as she discloses the most horrendous abuse has been shocking and deeply upsetting. It's mob behaviour.
And yes, it's going to stop victims from coming forward.
It might be a win for Depp but its also a horrifying indictment of how the normality and invisibility of domestic violence is entrenched in society.
I suspect that even if a video were to emerge of Depp beating Heard senseless, his fans would watch it and claim it's even more evidence that she was abusing him. 'Poor Johnny', they'll say. 'Look how far she's pushed him'.
And then they'll add music and a laugh track and post it on TikTok
I've lost all respect for anyone defending him. I hope Heard has good people with her now.
And yes, I have watched it. How fucking patronising.

The whole thing is a mess. I think neither has conducted themselves well in that relationship, so my personal feeling is that they are both honestly viewing themselves as the victim and the other person as the perpetrator. And they've both lost sight of their own responsibility for the toxicity of the relationship. However, she couldn't prove what she claimed and when a person is caught lying, it makes it very hard to believe anything else they say.

I can't help but think this trial ought not to have been televised. To me, too many people have confused JD roles with his real life personality and allowed their affection for those roles to form their judgements. The real winner is whoever comes out on top re social media! And of course they are both actors - can anyone watching on tv accurately judge right and wrong by how either conducted themselves in the witness box? And that's what it became about to me - funny, sexy JD versus AH who was not so popular or appealing!

That said, I've never been comfortable with the notion that there must be blanket belief when a woman accuses a man of abuse. Women are as capable of lying as men are and it was a huge mistake to move away from innocent until proven guilty. I thinks there's now going to be a huge backlash against this stance.

I do think that women are expected to conform to being the right kind of victim in order to be believed and obviously women are harmed by that. At the same time though, a woman cannot portray herself as a DV survivor and advocate for other women if their own behaviour within the reason has also been problematic.

@ImAvingOops Totally agree. No one was an innocent victim and both behaved badly. My issue is with the huge media support of AH despite clear lies and attempts to destroy her ex husband

Bad for each other and should have parted far earlier. Toxic for each other.