Monkeypox?

[MonkeypoxThread]

Apologies if there is already a thread about this - the search function is useless atm! I will get this deleted if it's a duplication.

Just interested to read MNers views on this as I don't know what to make of the news reports, and I know there are very knowledgable MNers. I think it's hard for people with no knowledge of things like this, to gauge the "significance" of these cases from the news.

On a scale of 1-10, with 1 being "meh, whatever, fuck it" and 10 being "PANIC MODE ENABLED" I'm normally about a 3. Is that about right?

But there’s a vaccine.

And far more children die from e.g. measles.

If children are most at risk then any responsible parent would have them vaccinated.

In fact I’d go so far as to say that if this outbreak becomes serious, (and as yet it is nothing of the sort,) then vaccination should be compulsory.

Fact is that there is very little evidence that this virus is that dangerous,because even if it more adversely affects children the fact that the numbers are so tiny make it unimportant in the scheme of things.

You put your child into a car every day I assume? Cross the road with them? Let them walk up and downstairs? The list goes on, and the reality is that you put your children in situations every day where they could die.

Panicking about a virus which as yet is not known to be widespread is ridiculous.

I might feel less concerned about this when we can answer the following questions

1 How did the outbreak start , given that the index case was not the person returning from Nigeria who was diagnosed on 7th May.

2 Can you actually avoid it by refraining from skin to skin contact? How high risk are other modes of transmission (large droplets, contaminated surfaces etc)

3 What is the extent of very mild cases that may be undetected and which may be fuelling transmission?

4 How long does the virus survive outside a host on different surfaces and conditions

You put your child into a car every day I assume? Cross the road with them? Let them walk up and downstairs?
the difference is that risk involved in those things is known and can therefore be mitigated against.

From what I understand it is
1 part of the small pox family do as no one has needed a small pox vaccine it is spreading
2 originally spread through rodents rather than monkeys. It was just first noticed in monkeys.
3 it requires skin on skin contact to spread but it is not a std.

4 hard to spread- not like Covid which is very contagious before symptoms are experienced. Symptoms are obvious early on unlike Covid.

“So long as we don't then need to suffer through Orgygate when it emerges that they didn't follow the rules they set...“

😱 It doesn’t bear thinking about does it? That terrifies me more than monkeypox currently 🤣

if this outbreak becomes serious, (and as yet it is nothing of the sort,) then vaccination should be compulsory

The vaccine is too risky to mandate. Wont end well, risks destroying confidence in the existing vaccination schedule.

The leaked photos... (vom, not envy)

It can also spread via close contact - respiratory droplets and contaminated objects/surfaces.

This may be interesting - it's the government guidance/regulations (not sure which and that's an interesting point in itself) about self isolation...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/1077329/202205200_monkeypox-contact-tracing-classification-and-vaccination-matrix.pdf

Shit they stopped vaccinating for it in ireland in 1972? What age were you when you had it @BlackAmericanoNoSugar
Starting school? New born?

I am at about 3 out of 10 on the panickometre

The example scenarios are enlightening eg

"Driver and passengers in shared car or taxi with case, or sitting next to case on plane

Subsequent patients in consulting room after a confirmed case was seen and prior to room cleaning"

What does help me feel calm is having such an honest and competent government in charge.

Hahahaha

There is also quite a lot of info on the government website now including a 34 page document about the recommendations for vaccination.

I don't know if this link will work or not as I'm on the app.....

www.gov.uk/guidance/monkeypox

The problem with covid is that you can be asymptomatic and pass it on. Apparently that's why ebola didn't spread worldwide...if you have it, you know you have it

So now we are up to 56 cases ,this is all starting to feel a bit familiar
Let's hope this blows over soon .

You might not be prepared to take that risk, you don't speak for everyone though.

Talking about isolation on the news. Still no talk of who will pay for it though.

Platinum Jubilee coming up. Buses wont be running. People on low wages will be having to use taxis Energy bills through the roof Inflation at 9%

BraveryBot9to5 This page says that they stopped in 1972 www.hse.ie/eng/health/immunisation/vaccineswork/ and I can't find the page now but I read that it was given to babies and I think probably to newborns as it was compulsory. Do you have a round crater scar on your upper left arm? Mine is quite faint now but it's still there.

None of us speak for everyone, pretty obviously!

But personally the death rate for monkey pox would seriously concern me if it were in my child's school, as for a child it is more serious than for adults and many times more risky than COVID. The positive thing is it is many times less likely to reach my child than COVID.

They should be isolating contacts to shut it down.

I completely agree OP about the use of the word 'hysteria' and I don't see the need for the sneering tone. Nor do I see the need for proclamations such as this

There is no way people will comply with any new restrictions for a new illness

No one know what people will do, we have become far too shielded from death, especially childhood death.

then they need to give people money to isolate.

Oh yes, they should. Assume they won't even ask people to isolate.

Isolation info....

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachmentdata/file/1077329/202205200_monkeypox-contact-tracing-classification-and-vaccination-matrix.pdf

And you support the government giving people who have to isolate their full pay for any work they miss, I presume?

Oh dear 😳 That is something none of us deserve to be subjected to, haven’t we suffered enough?!
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