Monkeypox?

[MonkeypoxThread]

Apologies if there is already a thread about this - the search function is useless atm! I will get this deleted if it's a duplication.

Just interested to read MNers views on this as I don't know what to make of the news reports, and I know there are very knowledgable MNers. I think it's hard for people with no knowledge of things like this, to gauge the "significance" of these cases from the news.

On a scale of 1-10, with 1 being "meh, whatever, fuck it" and 10 being "PANIC MODE ENABLED" I'm normally about a 3. Is that about right?

I have no friends or relatives who could take him and at his age a cattery isn't an option and I wouldn't put a 17 year old cat through the upheaval. He'll have to take his chances along with the rest of us! He can't leave the garden anyway so he's not going to get near anyone.

“As for pets, I believe there is to be updated guidance (today) to say that people who are diagnosed (possibly also exposed) must not stroke their pets as they are at risk of passion into them and the health authorities are concerned about creating a new animal reservoir which could ultimately lead to monkeypox becoming endemic in Europe.”

FUCKING HELL - they’re ‘now’ concerned. So most of us will get a disfiguring disease and our pets are at risk. But hey no need to worry. WTAF!

Just calm down, it is being blown out of all proportion.

No doubt the pet rescue centres will shortly be flooded with people getting rid of their pets ‘cos Monkey Pox.

Didn’t they say the same about covid though?

Don’t let your cat out if you test positive incase you stroke it and then someone else strokes it and catches covid from its fur.

PIL spent the first lockdown firing water pistols at any cat that breached their garden fence. They thought someone else’s cat rubbing against the patio furniture would lead to their deaths. It was just tragic and quite worrying to witness.

I’m so done with the world now, I just don’t have the energy get worked up over anything.

Yet the hysteria of MN never learns. Why wait for proven scientifc data when you can just get carried away with hysteria and false information.
This is why we locked down for so long, we starteed to ignore the science and run on pure emotions.

This will be the excuse some idiots have been waiting for.

So most of us will get a disfiguring disease and our pets are at risk. But hey no need to worry

Do you get your information from the Daily Express? Honestly this is just such bullshit I can't even!

I stopped reading/watching news because of covid anyway. It all got unbearable for me, the whole world going crazy. And I didn’t look on here for over a year, the way people were arguing and losing their minds was horrific.

I hope it doesn’t happen again with this.

It happened back in 2005 ish too when the papers were first trying to whip up hysteria over bird flu.

My ex SIL was a vet nurse and they had people dropping off their budgies and parrots scared that they would catch bird flu from them.

People can get so caught up in fear that they can’t take a step back and think clearly.

I like this -
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-61579281

@SexyLittleNosferatu it IS a disfiguring disease - that’s a fact. If it’s not, please do post a link. No I got it from a link on here!

People will dump their pets for any reason - legit or not!

Couldn’t give a rats ass about covid, but there’s no vaccine available for smallpox right now, you can’t even pay privately for it. It’s a mild disease so the government doesn’t care.

People will dump their pets for any reason - legit or not!

But they are extremely stupid if they use Monkey Pox, Covid etc as an excuse

I can't see if you are quoting someone or if this is you saying this about transmission and pets?

If so please can you (or whoever said it originally) prove a (legitimate and reputable) source for this?

Making statements without a source is simply fucking speculation. It is absolutely pointless!

I was quoting another poster @WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles.

Sorry @PinkSparklyPussyCat I don't think the app is working right yet! I did look back but couldn't see a post before yours about it.

(good luck to anyone looking after my cat without me there, monkeypox would be less of a risk )

I can only find it in the DM but they do cite DEFRA -

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10854901/Patients-warned-stroking-animals-spread-monkeypox-further.html

I imagine it would be more of a risk if you keep rodents as they are the natural reservoir - or monkeys I suppose.

As for bird flu, poultry keepers have only recently been permitted to let their birds out again.

www.gov.uk/government/news/bird-flu-latest-situation-avian-influenza-prevention-zone-declared-across-great-britain

Sorry WeBuiltCisCityOnSexistRoles it was me who wrote about the pets originally.

i make a habit of citing sources but missed this one. It is quoted across many U.K. and European national newspapers but I can’t find an original DEFRA source as LangClegsInSpace pointed out.

There was another article in the telegraph yesterday about culling pet rodents of people with monkeypox.

www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/pet-hamsters-belonging-monkeypox-patients-should-isolated-killed/

I don’t think anyone needs to get panicked about this. It is not likely to be a common occurrence.

But it does go to show the concern about animal reservoirs in new countries, which would lead to new global regions of endemicity and increase health burden.

The other point of note here is the vaccine availability.

Yes, the U.K. does have large stockpiles of the old smallpox vaccine which was routinely given until the early 70s in the U.K.

It has some pretty significant side effects by today’s standards and can’t be taken by a lot of people e.g. those with eczema, pregnant.

www.drugs.com/acam2000.html

we were prepared to take these earlier, live versions of vaccine to eradicate the much more serious disease of smallpox

www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/how-smallpox-vaccine-stockpile-could-stop-monkeypox-its-tracks

and in the event of a bioterrorist incident with smallpox or a version of monkeypox which had been deliberately genetically modified to cause more severe disease.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1926780.stm

But I don’t think it will be given for just for plain old monkeypox.

The US have ~30 million doses of a newer, safer non replicating vaccine in their strategic national stockpile and it has been licensed for monkeypox.

It is called JYNNEOS from a Danish company called Bavarian Nordic.

www.cdc.gov/smallpox/bioterrorism-response-planning/public-health/vaccination-strategies.html

www.precisionvaccinations.com/bavarian-nordic-mva-bn-non-replicating-smallpox-vaccine-distributed-liquid-frozen-formulation?amp

The U.K. has just bought 20,000 doses of a JYNNEOS. It’s a two-dose regimen so enough for 10,000 people. I don’t know when we are taking delivery of that.

Apparently we have 5000 doses of it already and we are using it right now.

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1077678/Recommendations-for-use-of-pre-and-post-exposure-vaccination-during-a-monkeypox-incident.pdf

It will be interesting to see in the coming weeks how the U.K. government plans to scale up its vaccination capability and plan for roll-out e.g. close contacts of cases> health care workers> all men who have sex with men(?)

Will 20,000 doses be enough?

After the recent outbreak of monkeypox this month, US almost immediately exercised their (3rd?) option with the manufacturer for a further 13 million doses of JYNNEOS but I don’t think they will be ready until 2023/24.

@everythingthelighttouches Useful - thank you. I’d read some of this myself just not when we may expect batches to come in.
10,000 is nothing though!

I’m going to be identifying as a gay man I think! 💉💉🙈😂
The news reports that gay men are worried about the disease, so imagine they and medical staff will get jabbed first. I doubt the rest of us will follow. Lots of people must have been vaccinated already.

If the new vaccines provide sterilising immunity then it makes more sense to vaccinate those at most risk of catching it, that way you stop an outbreak in it's tracks.

Faciadipasta

“If it did take off here I would hope that those most at risk of severe disease would be first in the queue for the new vaccines rather than those most likely to contract it. The same as they did with covid. So immune suppressed, pregnant, young children before gay men (unless they are immune suppressed obv)

With covid young adults were most likely to contract the illness but elderly were prioritised bc of severe disease risk.”

No.
that’s not how you stop an outbreak in the early stages.

What happened with Covid vaccines was different because the cat was out of the bag by then. We weren’t trying to suppress or eradicate the virus, just mitigate the impact in the NHS for all our benefits.

Also, no vaccines whatsoever have been approved for children (under 12s I think).

There’s no way we would roll out vaccines in pregnant women who were not directly exposed. Far too risky. None of the vaccines, even the most recent, are approved for monkeypox in Europe, only in US.

Faciadipasta

If it did become a big thing, needing wider vaccination, I don’t know what we’d do because there isn’t very much of the new vaccine (JYNNEOS) and the old vaccine (ACAM2000) wouldn’t be suitable for chunks of the population: immunocompromised, pregnant, under 18s, anyone with eczema, dermatitis, possibly acne or anyone in their households.

The older vaccine which we have stockpiled (ACAM2000) was halted in phase 3 trials in U.K. due to myopericarditis in some healthy volunteers.

www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2004/04/myopericarditis-cases-complicate-acambis-smallpox-vaccine-trials