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"Gold dust" school jobs

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Smartsub · 18/05/2022 19:14

I am currently trying to recruit for support staff in school. I need kitchen, staff, admin and TAs. All term time only and all school hours. The jobs I've previously seen referred to on here as "gold dust".

We are getting hardly any applications and those we do get a poor. Admittedly the money is poor, but that's always been the case. Until a couple of years ago the difficult part was sifting through the 100s of applications we'd get for such jobs, now we rarely get more than a handful.

What's changed?

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tiredanddangerous · 18/05/2022 21:18

I love my school office job but I can only do it because DH is a high earner. The pay is a fucking insult frankly.

TomatoorChips · 18/05/2022 21:20

Make all your posts 40 hours a week. That will attract more staff.

lightisnotwhite · 18/05/2022 21:23

FlibbertyGibbitt · 18/05/2022 20:53

Because … 37 weeks salary over a year is crap. The pension you will get when you retire is also crap. School holiday holidays…. Prices are ridiculous.

forever counting down until the break. Being unable to take time off when you fancy a cheeky day off. Returning after the summer holidays, full on term with only a week off until Christmas.

Returning after the holidays, no one can be bothered to talk about what they did as it’s just all full on.

Yep all this.

The money argument is annoying. We have had to get supply staff in everyday for two years. They cost a fortune.

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Smartsub · 18/05/2022 21:23

TomatoorChips · 18/05/2022 21:20

Make all your posts 40 hours a week. That will attract more staff.

Do you think so? Historically we've had far higher applicant numbers for 9-3 jobs

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JustBkind · 18/05/2022 21:23

The education system is flawed in so many ways…and yet the DfE still want their pound of flesh. Unfortunately, people aren’t willing to do it any more or go the extra mile for minimum wage and minimal appreciation (I remember the times when staff would volunteer on trips, parents evenings, induction evenings, fundraising events etc. but NOT any more). Recruitment at the moment has never been so difficult.

School staff, whether support, teachers or leaders are going above and beyond daily with huge responsibility on their shoulders that one tiny wrong move can cost them/the school everything they have worked hard to achieve. Who wants to work in this environment for pittance? The local living wage and minimum wage has risen so much so that basic jobs that require no qualification and little experience are now on the same level as those that do.

Schools are struggling and have been for a while now, to recruit leadership roles because of the tiny salary difference due to the increase in teacher salaries and not in leadership salaries - would you want that responsibility on your shoulders when OFSTED call for little more pay than your fellow teacher with no accountability to OFSTED? I would also add that not all SLT are as bad as they are made out to be, at the end of the day they have targets that the school needs to meet, courtesy of the DfE.

And let’s not forget to mention the huge increase in SEN children that require one-to-one support and absolutely no funding due to the time it takes to get EHCP/ SEN diagnosis that school budgets can’t fund alone, and even then the funding doesn’t even cover the cost of one TA.

Schools have suffered during covid and children are clearly way behind and the government catch up funding doesn't even touch the surface, yet schools have to be accountable for the way the pittance of funding is spent; more pressure for SLT.
There’s no money for the buildings that were built in the 50’s and 60’s where the toilets are dilapidated, facias rotten and security systems inadequate, there’s no money to improve technology such as whiteboards that don’t work any more and are 20+ years old.

As someone else said, working in a school is “full on” and that is so true, so much so that staff don’t even benefit from one weeks’ holiday and most are ill during that time from the stress of the weeks before; and you may laugh at that if you don’t work in this environment but I kid you not!

And to top it all off, the DfE want all schools to be part of an academy - the worst thing that ever happened in the history of Education and the treatment of school staff.

This is the sad reality of the education sector and it doesn’t appear to be getting better any time soon.

Hellsbe · 18/05/2022 21:25

It’s really very simple. The pay is shit and support staff are treated terribly. There is also no flexibility!
you’ll have to pay more and introduce more flexible working hours as a minimum.

User48751490 · 18/05/2022 21:25

I have never worked in a school but have three school aged children and I could see the appeal to these jobs. Always getting time off for the holidays, term time only. It's a shame it is so poorly paid. And after reading others experiences, it seems a lot of work/responsibility for a pay that doesn't reflect this.

Delinathe · 18/05/2022 21:25

Feel like OP is conflating the different concepts of responsibility and accountability here. No, the buck may not stop with TAs, but they are still responsible for doing the tasks they are assigned competently, and the scope of that responsibility seems to have expanded massively. You say your school is the exception, OP, but how are applications supposed to know that it is not the more typical situation described many times here?

I would also extend the idea of schools (or the government really) massively exploiting women to apply to teachers, in a different way. After seeing what family members have gone through it amazes me there are any primary teachers left in the workforce.

Delinathe · 18/05/2022 21:25

*applicants

TiraMissSue · 18/05/2022 21:27

The money is shit. TAs aren’t paid much more now than they were 10 or 15 years ago. The cost of living is high. Other more menial jobs pay better. TA hours don’t even fit around childcare so aren’t convenient for parents who need that.

The TAs at my school are either older women who have been there for years and are completely undervalued for their skills and experience, youngsters who are thinking about doing a PGCE (vast majority decide they hate working in a school and leave after a few months or even weeks , so very high turnover), or agency. There are no ‘I’m a Mum and this job is like gold dust’ candidates EVER.

MrsMariaReynolds · 18/05/2022 21:27

Gotta ask, where are all these flexible/WFH homes jobs? Because there's bugger all around here.
I have been working as support staff at the same school for 7 years and I'm fed up with the low pay, increased and unreasonable levels of responsibility, the general weird "vibe" that exists in our school culture post-Covid. We used to all get along but I'd say now our staff are at an all-time low morale-wise. I'd love to jump ship for one of these other "better" jobs but no such luck finding one...

lollipoprainbow · 18/05/2022 21:29

Personally I'd love a job in a school office!

NotQuiteUsual · 18/05/2022 21:30

I just got back in being a TA after years away from it. Bit of a culture shock to be honest, they're expecting so much now. You have to justify every action you take and for the amount in paid it's a piss take. I'm fed up of micromanaging.

Overtheanvil · 18/05/2022 21:30

@MrsMariaReynolds

Try the charity sector.

Threebutterflies · 18/05/2022 21:32

BerryPieandCustard · 18/05/2022 19:37

I am experiencing the same.. I am trying to appoint a catering assistant 9:30-2:30 term time. Admittedly we pay just 35p above minimum wage. We have a £15 per week staff meal allowance that can be used on drinks/sandwiches/pre packed snacks like cereal bars, biscuits, popcorn and lentil crisps take home (some staff use this to stock their kid’s lunch boxes) or it can be used to purchase the main meal (again can be taken home). We also have access to the swimming pool Easter-September and can take our kids/family or friends and access to our schools gym Monday/Wednesday/Friday until 8pm.

in previous years I would be inundated with applications but now the few I do get are poorly written, half arsed attempts at an application.

@BerryPieandCustard
wow what a shame I would absolutely love to apply for this job ! The schools in my
area never have any vacancies.

BathshebaKnickerStickers · 18/05/2022 21:35

There was a thread on here earlier about someone struggling to find a job.

the person in question was illiterate and unsuitable for a customer facing job. She also had children who choose not to live with her.

Literally 50 people suggested she become a TA. That is the level of job people see being a TA means. I work in a primary school at a TA. I have QTS as I have a PGCE. 8 of our 13 TAs have degrees. I also have an MA. Others are qualified as Early Years Professionals. One of the TAs who does not have a degree has 20 years experience and is probably the best of all of us at the job.

You can’t recruit because a cross section of the population believe this is a job that can be done with someone who is illiterate and cannot be customer facing.

and we get paid about 17p an hour.

trinnian · 18/05/2022 21:37

@smartsub, I haven't read the whole thread, but in case it hasn't been mentioned, there are now many other jobs that allow people to work flexibly, and often from home, and which are much less stressful, and better paid than working in a school. In the past I saw friends who were lawyers and accountants and marketing execs taking TA jobs so that they could work school hours. Now their equivalents will be working flexibly from home for much higher wages and more prestige, (and they will be doing the occasional household chore between meetings too, rather than spending their evenings doing them).

Rosewaterblossom · 18/05/2022 21:38

Kitchen staff.. often people think it's just heating up a few fish fingers and chips. They have no fffing idea!

Elizabeth110100 · 18/05/2022 21:39

BathshebaKnickerStickers · 18/05/2022 21:35

There was a thread on here earlier about someone struggling to find a job.

the person in question was illiterate and unsuitable for a customer facing job. She also had children who choose not to live with her.

Literally 50 people suggested she become a TA. That is the level of job people see being a TA means. I work in a primary school at a TA. I have QTS as I have a PGCE. 8 of our 13 TAs have degrees. I also have an MA. Others are qualified as Early Years Professionals. One of the TAs who does not have a degree has 20 years experience and is probably the best of all of us at the job.

You can’t recruit because a cross section of the population believe this is a job that can be done with someone who is illiterate and cannot be customer facing.

and we get paid about 17p an hour.

Absolutely every word of this. I read that thread too with a hollow laugh. I am hanging on by a thread to my support role and I have a degree, am an early years professional and have 15 years of experience.
People have no idea, absolutely none.

NaTTate · 18/05/2022 21:39

I tried unsuccessfully for about 4 years to get a job that would work around children and an OH who works long hours. I applied for many school support staff jobs during that time and got nowhere, not even interviews - presumably because other candidates had more relevant experience. (I had previously been in a very specialised career field that had no part time possibilities after I became a mother. On paper I probably looked over-qualified but also underwhelming in terms of basic admin and office experience).

Last year I noticed many more remote working opportunities being advertised and I finally managed to land myself a job - full time, with the holy grail of having flexible hours and working from home! So I can do school pick ups and be at home once the children are back from school and not be earning a measly 15 hour a week part time salary. It's not well paid by any stretch (think graduate starting salary) but it's better than school TA and office staff rates. I'd echo what's been said further up the thread - the pandemic has created many remote-working opportunities where they didn't previously exist. I think it's definitely increased the opportunities for mothers to go back to work and remote working jobs are likely to be more convenient and have the potential of more hours at a better rate of pay than school support staff work.

jammyrose · 18/05/2022 21:40

Possibly the term time hours? With rising living costs, potential applicants may be wondering how they’d get by during the summer on one (or even no) income. Mortgage/rent/bills won’t take a break unfortunately.

Foolsrule · 18/05/2022 21:40

Support staff in schools relied on a 1950s model of women having ‘a little job to fit around the children’. No one ever imagined you’d need two full time salaries to make ends meet. Who on earth would want all that responsibility for minimum wage? Not a chance!

Smartsub · 18/05/2022 21:40

Rosewaterblossom · 18/05/2022 21:38

Kitchen staff.. often people think it's just heating up a few fish fingers and chips. They have no fffing idea!

I have an idea because currently I'm doing it, on top of my day job 😆

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Forgothowmuchlhatehomeschoolin · 18/05/2022 21:41

Definitely covid has played a partly in this l would say

trinnian · 18/05/2022 21:41

MrsMariaReynolds · 18/05/2022 21:27

Gotta ask, where are all these flexible/WFH homes jobs? Because there's bugger all around here.
I have been working as support staff at the same school for 7 years and I'm fed up with the low pay, increased and unreasonable levels of responsibility, the general weird "vibe" that exists in our school culture post-Covid. We used to all get along but I'd say now our staff are at an all-time low morale-wise. I'd love to jump ship for one of these other "better" jobs but no such luck finding one...

Just about any kind of office job, including customer service roles, admin, local government, university services, IT, etc.

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