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Massive thanks and well done to Jake Daniels

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user75 · 16/05/2022 21:51

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61467159
What a great role model he is :)

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BIWI · 17/05/2022 08:20

In 6 months' time, the football world cup is being held in Qatar. Where homosexuality is illegal.

The last professional footballer to come out was Justin Fashanu back in 1990. He took his own life 8 years later.

These two sobering facts might perhaps, just perhaps, make some of you realise just how big a deal this is, in the world of professional football.

SoupDragon · 17/05/2022 08:24

Forgothowmuchlhatehomeschoolin · 17/05/2022 07:56

I agree.
In this day and age he shouldn't even need to announce it - it really shouldn't matter

No, it shouldn't matter.

unfortunately, in professional football, right now, it does matter. Hopefully this will make it matter just that little bit less until it is chipped away at entirely and isn't an issue at all.

zen1 · 17/05/2022 08:31

I think this young guy has done a brave thing. Homophobia is still rife and despite all the supportive rhetoric on the news, the fact that there are no other out professional male footballers speaks volumes. I saw a film a few years ago that tackled this subject, ‘Mario’, which focused on a talented up-and-coming footballer having to chose between having a career and spending his life in the closet, or coming out knowing it would prejudice his professional chances. Very depressing.

Forgothowmuchlhatehomeschoolin · 17/05/2022 08:32

MrsPear · 17/05/2022 08:01

He will have zero career and will never play top flight guarantee it. Stupid sod - but he is young and not yet jaded.

Seriously??!!

Runningupthecurtains · 17/05/2022 08:43

MrsPear · 17/05/2022 08:01

He will have zero career and will never play top flight guarantee it. Stupid sod - but he is young and not yet jaded.

So it would be more sensible for him to spend the next twenty years living a lie? Not able to go out in public with his partner? Living in fear that an ex will sell his story to the press? Having to pretend he's on a lads holiday when he goes away with his boyfriend?

As for gay women in football I think it is because football is seen as a 'manly' thing so people who have closed minds think that women who are interested in football mustn't be straight because straight women are too busy thinking pink, frilly thoughts. Getting muddy and sweaty isn't ladylike. The reverse is true for men, team sports are for "real" men so gay guys aren't going to be interested. It's all based on lazy stereo types that gay women are butch and gay men are effeminate.

Good luck to Jake. I hope the tiny but vocal neanderthal minority leave him alone. What he has done is brave but perhaps more importantly it's really liberating for him and and can get on with his life like every other 17 year old without having to hid who he loves.

ilovesooty · 17/05/2022 09:21

Sirzy · 17/05/2022 07:04

It shouldn’t be newsworthy but it is, and that shows how far professional football, and many other professional sports, still have to go in order to get to the position where it isn’t newsworthy.

At 17 to publically discuss his sexuality like this is brave, as he is opening himself up to abuse from the minority sadly.

Absolutely.

torquewench · 17/05/2022 09:24

Is professional football the only thing left where being homosexual isn't just ... normal? Is that why he's been forced to come out? I mean, other people in the public eye and other walks of life don't seem to be as bothered about announcing their sexual preference. So what is it about football? Is it the teams? The leagues? The sponsors? The clubs? The fans?

BIWI · 17/05/2022 09:27

Probably all of the above @torquewench Homophobia - like racism/sexism - is rife in that world. Hopefully a move like this can start to help change it, although I think it's going to be a long haul.

jimboandthejetset · 17/05/2022 09:46

narcdad · 16/05/2022 23:57

Sorry, but I don't get the fuss, his gay and plays football, I don't think it's brave or amazing. Just a man who has announced his sexual orientation.

Posters like this really don't understand the bigger picture, do they? As someone has already pointed out, the next World Cup is being held in a country where being gay is illegal. He is only the second footballer ever in the the UK to come out, the first for 30yrs, and the one before him committed suicide.
How many men play profession football? Is it realistic to think that not a single one other than Jake Daniels is gay?? Homophobia is rife amongst football supporters.
People are calling him brave because it will most certainly impact his career, and could put him in real physical danger. No he's not a Ukrainian soldier, but is that the race run the bottom we really want to have right now?

Runningupthecurtains · 17/05/2022 09:47

@torquewench I think it's still an issue in most team sports but hopefully the tide is slowly turning and soon it won't be an issue.

kimfox · 17/05/2022 10:08

I can't believe anyone can say they don't think this is a big deal. Must have their heads firmly implanted in their posteriors. It shouldn't be a big deal that he is gay. But for such a young man to break the taboo and speak up at the beginning of his career is, I think, extremely courageous given the climate, especially in the context of an international & historically homophobic sport like football. Bravo that young man & please God spare him a backlash of any kind.

NightmareSlashDelightful · 17/05/2022 10:14

torquewench · 17/05/2022 09:24

Is professional football the only thing left where being homosexual isn't just ... normal? Is that why he's been forced to come out? I mean, other people in the public eye and other walks of life don't seem to be as bothered about announcing their sexual preference. So what is it about football? Is it the teams? The leagues? The sponsors? The clubs? The fans?

A few things to unpack here.

First of all, sexuality isn't a preference.

Secondly, you probably have named most of the reasons why this is, in fact, a major issue.

Gay, lesbian and bi people often feel the need to make an announcement about coming out because we are, and will always be, a minority. Even when there isn't active homophobia, as a gay or bi person you're still discovering that you're at odds with a society that's designed around and by straight people. There is a kind of passive rejection/othering that most, if not all, gay/lesbian/bi people will feel from a very young age.

Straight people tend to assume that everyone else they meet is also straight. At a purely statistical level, this isn't unreasonable because (very roughly) 90 - 95% of people are straight.

But to gay people like me, because of this assumption, pretty much every aspect of society is pitched somewhere between slightly off-kilter to downright frightening. From about the age of 10, sometimes before, gay people will become aware that a fundamental part of who we are is zigging when everyone else seems to be zagging. And this can make us feel extremely isolated, out-of-place and scared.

Ultimately, coming out isn't so much about the audience receiving the message. It's about the person doing the coming out. It's about them saying, 'this is who I am, I am not ashamed, and you will not make me ashamed'.

Libertaire · 17/05/2022 10:30

In any other walk of life, I would be among those asking ‘why is this news? It’s 2022, nobody cares if someone is gay.’ But, as a football fan, I can absolutely see why Jake’s decision is seen as brave and has attracted so much attention.

Sadly, there is still a Neanderthal element among the fan base of many clubs, including mine. Fans who may not be homophobic in any other context might join in with abusive chants as part of a herd mentality, or because they think it’s ‘just banter’. Tribalism is still very much part of football.

user75 · 17/05/2022 11:46

The World Cup is being held in a country where homosexuality is illegal. This is the first professional male footballer to be honest. Anyone saying it isn't a big deal is disingenuous or ignorant. I have no doubt that their are gay men in the premiership but fear of homophobia and it effecting their sponsorship/careers silences them. Well done Jake, you are an outstanding role model.

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codeVeronica · 17/05/2022 12:39

Considering the homophobic football chants that still happen at matches, I'd say brave is an apt description.

NippyWoowoo · 17/05/2022 12:47

I agree. Brave is a Ukranian giving the Russians Hell or cops tackling terrorists and so on. Jack is just being honest. I hope all goes well for him but he is neither amazing or heroic.

And this one wins the Eyeroll Award 🙄🏆

NippyWoowoo · 17/05/2022 12:51

I hope all of the 'I don't see why this is news' brigade being the same energy to the next post on here beginning 'the first woman to...'. It is 2022, after all

standoctor · 17/05/2022 12:57

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SoupDragon · 17/05/2022 12:58

The fact that it is having a fuss made about it shows that it is indeed "worthy" of such fuss.

I can't honestly believe that people genuinely think it's nothing. I'm not even a football fan and even I know that coming out as gay as a professional player is a huge thing. It shouldn't be, but it is. Hopefully this is the first step along the way of changing that.

standoctor · 17/05/2022 12:58

Anyone saying it isn't a big deal is disingenuous or ignorant.
Or is entitled to their own opinion
Personally I know that calling people names who have a different opinion is totally ignorant but hey ho

codeVeronica · 17/05/2022 13:00

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Are you obtuse or just stupid?

SoupDragon · 17/05/2022 13:01

standoctor · 17/05/2022 12:58

Anyone saying it isn't a big deal is disingenuous or ignorant.
Or is entitled to their own opinion
Personally I know that calling people names who have a different opinion is totally ignorant but hey ho

its Not a matter of having a diff3ent opinion' it's a matter of not being able to grasp the simple fact that in professional football today it is indeed a big deal. It's not an opinion, it is fact.

ilovesooty · 17/05/2022 13:05

A fact that a depressingly large number of people seem incapable of grasping.

FloydPepper · 17/05/2022 13:12

veronicagoldberg · 17/05/2022 05:54

The "why is this news" posters remind me of the naïve "but I don't see colour" brigade.

Football is notoriously homophobic. This guy coming out is a huge deal.

Please don't belittle gay people's struggles. Just because your world is a liberal accepting utopia, not everywhere is.

Spot on

foootball is a tough environment for gay men. Coming out is very brave, given the abuse that unfortunately he will almost certainly face.

this is big news. He is brave. Anyone thinking otherwise doesn’t understand

WhyCantPeopleBeNice · 17/05/2022 13:25

The response by some people really does surprise me.
In many countries being gay is illegal.
The only example of a gay footballer as previously mentioned by a previous poster ended their life.
People still have to fight homophobia

When we look at the response to the tragic death of George Floyd it became apparent that not being racist isn't enough, we need to stand up against racists and it is the same for all protected charactistics.

For those who say big deal, or it doesn't matter if they are gay, I can assure you for people who have ever experienced homophobia it does matter.
It's not enough to say we don't see sexuality - we must stand up and support the LGBTQ+ community which includes Jake Daniels.
I hope he inspires others struggling with their sexuality to know they are loved and valued

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