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Sons school banned certain books

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Sadless · 14/05/2022 10:06

Hi all so my son came home yesterday and said that some books have been banned in school. He said how to kill a mocking bird and mice of men.
I am not a reader so don't know what's in this books to make them be banned in school. Anyone know and any ones else school done the same.

Thanks
Sal

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Wheresmywoolyjumpers · 14/05/2022 17:51

If they were really concerned about racism, why not ban Shakespeare? And a significant portion of books written before a few years ago.

teaandtoastwithmarmite · 14/05/2022 19:15

There has been discussion of banned books on a Facebook book group I'm in but not sure if it was in the us. I read to kill a mockingbird recently and was uncomfortable with the language but I still think these books should be around. There was a biff chip and kipper book banned recently but I could understand that

IntricateRhyme · 15/05/2022 11:01

Thymeout · 14/05/2022 15:06

I used to alternate teaching the top division (32 pupils) and the lowest (never more than 13). With the latter, some of whom had IQs of 70 and reading ages in single figures, we relied heavily on the film and focused on the trial scene.

What struck me was how many intuitively picked up on Mayella having been sexually abused by her father. Far more than in the most able group. It was a racially mixed class and they were all angry about Tom Robinson being falsely accused, but they were able to relate to Mayella - I hope - because of her learning difficulties rather than parental abuse.

Gove took TKAM and OMOM off the GCSE reading list because he wanted to go back to the glory days of his grammar school Eng Lit O level syllabus.

I studied TKAM for my O Level Eng Lit in the late 70s. I went to a good Grammar School in the Home Counties, where there were really good teachers, who encouraged a life long love of English literature in me.

I feel that schools do the opposite nowadays, crushing any interest in subjects, destroying a love for books and reading. My DC ended up hating all the books they were made to study at school and won't pick up a book to read voluntarily now.

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PandaOrLion · 15/05/2022 11:05

If you haven’t read them (or at least since GCSE) OP then I’d really recommend it - just because DS doesn’t read them for school doesn’t mean he can’t either.

Sirzy · 15/05/2022 11:09

I haven’t read of mice and men, but To Kill a Mockingbird was on the GCSE curriculum when I did them. I loved it so much I have read it many time since.

I think reading books like that, especially in a school setting where it can be properly looked into the background of the time etc, is an important way of making sure history doesn’t repeat. Sadly history still is repeating with people being profiled based on their skin colour so books like TKAMB can help encourage discussion and hopefully change in attitudes

noborisno · 15/05/2022 16:59

That sounds like a place of open and meaningful education that you should trust with your child for over ten years.

Thymeout · 16/05/2022 15:04

Re racist language, when I first started teaching TKAM, way back in the 60's, 'negro' was a neutral word, on a par with 'Caucasian', and that was how Harper Lee used it. The slang n-word was offensive even then and only used to delineate the racist climate in the region where the book was set.

In the 80's, we had our first complaint about 'negro', in a different context, not in an English lesson, from a black girl accusing an Indian teacher of being racist for using it. In the 90's, I did once have a black girl who refused to read a book because it was racist. She pointed to a word on the first page. 'It says 'black'. That's racist!' It was Comfort Herself, set in South Africa, specifically put on the syllabus to cover the 'multi-cultural' requirement of the National Curriculum. Fortunately, the rest of the class, v diverse, were able to disabuse her.

My view is that it's best not to labour the point. Language changes and, yes, there are words which we would not use now, but focus on the message. After all, TKAM is v much an anti-racist novel.

Besides, that's not why Gove removed the texts. It's because the authors didn't have British passports and he had a bee in his bonnet about national identity, the English tradition, etc etc. rather than the literary quality or relevance of the work.
And so we have An Inspector Calls, a mediocre play by any measure, and not a patch on The Crucible, by one of the C20 greatest playwrights, Arthur Miller, born in the USA.

I agree with pp about the impact on A level choices. So many have been put off by the idea that it's just going to be Jekyll and Hyde Mk 2.

Squillerman · 16/05/2022 15:10

Both fantastic books so it’s a huge shame the school has chosen to do this. Banning books is highly totalitarian, not a cool move at all. They both use the N word a fair few times so I’d guess it’s due to this but I’d argue many teens listen to music featuring this word numerous times!

Squillerman · 16/05/2022 15:13

Thymeout · 16/05/2022 15:04

Re racist language, when I first started teaching TKAM, way back in the 60's, 'negro' was a neutral word, on a par with 'Caucasian', and that was how Harper Lee used it. The slang n-word was offensive even then and only used to delineate the racist climate in the region where the book was set.

In the 80's, we had our first complaint about 'negro', in a different context, not in an English lesson, from a black girl accusing an Indian teacher of being racist for using it. In the 90's, I did once have a black girl who refused to read a book because it was racist. She pointed to a word on the first page. 'It says 'black'. That's racist!' It was Comfort Herself, set in South Africa, specifically put on the syllabus to cover the 'multi-cultural' requirement of the National Curriculum. Fortunately, the rest of the class, v diverse, were able to disabuse her.

My view is that it's best not to labour the point. Language changes and, yes, there are words which we would not use now, but focus on the message. After all, TKAM is v much an anti-racist novel.

Besides, that's not why Gove removed the texts. It's because the authors didn't have British passports and he had a bee in his bonnet about national identity, the English tradition, etc etc. rather than the literary quality or relevance of the work.
And so we have An Inspector Calls, a mediocre play by any measure, and not a patch on The Crucible, by one of the C20 greatest playwrights, Arthur Miller, born in the USA.

I agree with pp about the impact on A level choices. So many have been put off by the idea that it's just going to be Jekyll and Hyde Mk 2.

I did An Inspector Calls for GCSE and that was under Blair so nothing to do with Gove. It’s far from mediocre.

ForTheLoveOfSleep · 16/05/2022 15:30

#Could the school have change exam boards for GCSE? Of Mice and Men and How to Kill a Mocking Bird are only literature texts for the CCEA GCSE English.

ForTheLoveOfSleep · 16/05/2022 15:31

*To Kill a Micking Bird

Thymeout · 16/05/2022 18:41

@Squillerman
Under Blair, The Crucible was on the list of options for GCSE Eng Lit for our Board. In 2014, Gove reformed the exam regs and syllabus for Eng Literature GCSE. Exam Boards were instructed not to include non-native authors in their list of prescribed texts.

I don't think JB Priestley is generally rated as a world-class playwright.

Sadless · 19/05/2022 08:30

Hi all quick update emailed the school on mon

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Sadless · 19/05/2022 08:35

Hi all quick update emailed the school on Monday still haven't had a reply. Son says they have took the books out of the library and have been put in a storage cupboard now. He brought how to kill a mocking bird home yesterday said he had found it in ict and was going to take it to library but forgot. In that school they usually do Christmas Carol for the gcse my daughter did she left in 2020. I have a email address for the head of year 9 so I will email her today and see if she replies.

Thanks
Sal

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Sadless · 19/05/2022 08:42

The book he brought home looks brand new wondering why it was abandoned in the ict classroom. The head of year 9 does ict so would have been her class room hoping she might reply.

Sal

Sons school banned certain books
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Rainbowbaby13 · 19/05/2022 08:57

Seems very over dramatic I did mice and men in my English class not sure why they would ban it

miltonj · 19/05/2022 09:04

I think the N word is used in of mice and men.

Both books are GCSE texts that explore issues of race. They're not racist books, but they explore themes of race and racism to get students to discuss the issues. But I can imagine that hearing the N word in the classroom setting might be upsetting, especially if other children are being immature about it.

PattyMelt · 19/05/2022 09:13

Discrimination, Racism and slavery, are topics kids need to learn about to know why they are wrong.
Dd is working her way through a list of book frequently banned that was given to us by a teacher friend.
She's already read Of mice and men and Catcher in the rye, then OMAM was read in her school. She has to kill a mocking bird, The color purple, and a whole host of others sitting on the shelf, I buy as she requests. They promote discussion.

Sadless · 19/05/2022 12:23

Sent the email she replied with a few minutes said she has passed the email on to head of English and he will reply.

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SkirridHill · 20/05/2022 17:26

Sadless · 19/05/2022 08:42

The book he brought home looks brand new wondering why it was abandoned in the ict classroom. The head of year 9 does ict so would have been her class room hoping she might reply.

Sal

It sounds to me rather like they're putting the books in storage, especially if they're teaching another text.

Soubriquet · 20/05/2022 17:29

Banning a book just makes people want to read it more.

You shouldn’t ban books like this, especially ones that are used a lot in education, as they cover important issues

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