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2 years in prison for a child's life?

47 replies

Georgyporky · 27/04/2022 18:34

How are prison sentences determined?
The woman who was drunk, speeding, didn't fit the seatbelts on her 2 young children, then crashed into a lorry, has been sentenced to 4 years for the death of the 2.

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 27/04/2022 19:33

I didn’t know she went missing. That was very stupid, what did she think would happen.

The whole thing is an appalling mess and so is she.

TheSillyMastiff · 27/04/2022 19:37

BertieBotts · 27/04/2022 19:32

I don't know if I agree with jail in general except as a method of removing somebody dangerous from access to the public, although I freely admit that I haven't given this a great deal of thought so I do not know what I would advocate for instead in cases like this.

Punishment IMO isn't an aim in and of itself. What is the aim of punishment? Do you mean retribution, ie, that it is fair that she suffer as a form of balance for the suffering and loss she caused to the children? I don't know if this makes sense as a concept to me (does it make it fair? I don't think it does) but I can see if you do see it this way, two years each seems very very little.

I wasn't really aware that prisons are great places of reflection. Are they?

Re the reflection part, they are becoming so, many offender courses in the establishment now are incorporating "reflective practice". Ultimately for an offender to change their behaviour they need to get to the route of why they behaved in such a way and reflective practice is now often a tool used to attempt to change behaviour.

This is especially so in therapeutic or pipe units. It's becoming a big push in rehabilitation in an effort to rehabilitate. Which ultimately is what prison should be for, it can't just be a place to house people with behavioural and psychological issues and then on day of release let them go off having not become better people. Few people spend a whole life tariff in prison, so ex offenders need to be able to reintegrate back in to society best they can as they could be your neighbour one day.

Bagelsandbrie · 27/04/2022 19:40

It’s not long enough. She could have killed a whole different family as well as her own. People would have less sympathy then I’m sure.

People who drunk drive are utterly selfish. No excuses whatsoever.

LondonQueen · 27/04/2022 20:38

Living with killing her children is the biggest punishment here. No amount of custodial sentence will outweigh the mental anguish.

manysummersago · 27/04/2022 20:39

AnyFucker · 27/04/2022 18:52

That woman admitted what she did and has shown a huge amount of remorse

I imagine she will be punished lifelong in her own head, whether she is in prison or not

I agree with this. I’m not sure any sentence is appropriate.

Whatever00 · 27/04/2022 20:41

It seems that life really isn't valued. My friend was murdered. He was stabbed and his killer got 5 years.

midsomermurderess · 27/04/2022 20:47

What is to be gained by locking her up for years and years? Of course there is a place for punishment and society expressing its condemnation, but warehousing her for a decade or so? She killed 2 of her children. She will carry that every day for life. And punishment isn't as transactional as you would like it to be.

OnlyFoolsnMothers · 27/04/2022 20:50

I don’t see a public benefit to locking her up- how could she live with herself anyway?!

TheVolturi · 27/04/2022 20:57

I doubt that this woman is going to get an easy ride whilst in prison.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 27/04/2022 21:01

Bagelsandbrie · 27/04/2022 19:40

It’s not long enough. She could have killed a whole different family as well as her own. People would have less sympathy then I’m sure.

People who drunk drive are utterly selfish. No excuses whatsoever.

And she would have received a longer sentence.

ZeroCaffeine · 27/04/2022 21:03

Her own actions cost her the lives of her children ffs, how much more punishment is there than that?

nancy75 · 27/04/2022 21:04

Georgeskitchen · 27/04/2022 18:53

Death by careless driving under the influence of alcohol. That wasn't careless that was dangerous and its about time these people who do this were charged with manslaughter at the very least

manslaughter doesn’t get a long prison sentence either, a member of my family was killed in an attack that was classed as manslaughter - the person who did it got 4 years & was out in 21/2

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 27/04/2022 21:12

I'm sure I've got a split personality, because. One side of me is saying she chose to get into a car drunk. She should have got 20 years and even that's being beyond generous.
However the other side of me is saying "No amount of prison time can hurt her anymore". She's already paid the ultimate and biggest price for her actions.

ArtVandalay · 27/04/2022 21:14

She is a terrible person. I wish she would serve the whole sentence, but she won't.

She was drunk, speeding, didn't even bother with seatbelts, failed to answer bail, and has caused the poor lorry driver to suffer depression and anxiety.

Georgeskitchen · 27/04/2022 21:39

Georgyporky · 27/04/2022 19:19

"I doubt she is going to run off into the sunset gloating that she's got away with it."

She tried.

She did indeed!!
Some posts seem to be coming across as defending her behaviour imo

CorsicaDreaming · 27/04/2022 22:53

Discovereads · 27/04/2022 19:12

It’s because she did not get in the car with the intent to crash and kill her children. The very first thing she said after the accident was oh why didn’t I put their seat belts on!. Lack of intent to kill means it’s not murder.

another manslaughter case with sentencing pending is Hakeem Hussain who’s mum who neglected him and he then died of an asthma attack because his mum had converted his asthma inhaler to a crack pipe, smoked a bunch of crack and then passed out so did not notice when her son woke up with an asthma attack and crawled outside to look for help. He died in the freezing garden that night.

all so desperately sad.

That is an absolutely appalling case of neglect re Haseem. His mother should definitely serve a prison sentence.

And social services should be properly funded and supported to intervene earlier in cases such as that.

CorsicaDreaming · 27/04/2022 22:57

LondonQueen · 27/04/2022 20:38

Living with killing her children is the biggest punishment here. No amount of custodial sentence will outweigh the mental anguish.

I agree.

EL8888 · 27/04/2022 22:59

I’m not sure where to start with this one. The woman is a total idiot. The child’s name, no seat belts, drunk driving, going on the run etc etc. At least her 2 non-dead children will help her remember her dead’s ones. As will the other women in prison 😂

lunar1 · 27/04/2022 23:02

Without a longer incarceration she should have to agree to a contraceptive implant, no contact of any kind with children and no possibility of ever driving again.

The punishment should fit the crime, and the possibility of a repeat should be mitigated as much as possible.

The priority should always be about protecting society from offenders.

BikiniB0tt0m · 27/04/2022 23:08

Efortyjive · 27/04/2022 19:26

It's grim isn't it, someone killed my neighbour drunk driving, they got a driving ban for 12 months and that's it. The excuse was that they'd had an argument with their boyfriend and needed to go to a friends, she'd had a bottle of wine to drink so of course boo hoo in front of the judge. Disgusting.

A 12 month driving ban! Is that all? Not even banned for life or prison for taking away someone life. Someone's loved one. I hope they live with the guilt all their lives, terrible lack justice. As for the original post it's not much juice either two children's lives were taken because it was gross neglect from the mother. They had the right to live and be kept safe, to me it's like saying their lives mean little, when a sentence is so short.

manysummersago · 27/04/2022 23:18

EL8888 · 27/04/2022 22:59

I’m not sure where to start with this one. The woman is a total idiot. The child’s name, no seat belts, drunk driving, going on the run etc etc. At least her 2 non-dead children will help her remember her dead’s ones. As will the other women in prison 😂

What the hell is wrong with you

Louise0701 · 27/04/2022 23:24

She’s only got a 7 year driving ban.

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