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Is the slur Karen only for white women?

34 replies

Ownyourname · 24/04/2022 23:09

Hi
Just that really. I was interested in the other Karen thread on how women feel silenced. I am a woman of colour who is outspoken but I havent experienced this...yet!

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Soapboxqueen · 28/04/2022 14:56

While the popular history of the term Karen is that it was born of black women towards racist white women in the US, I've also read that it came from incel chat sites to describe their ex-wives. They have form for this eg Chad's and Stacy's.

Whatever its origin, its broad meaning is now misogynistic eg 'shut up woman' no matter race, ethnicity, class, etc etc

This is the problem with euphemisms. They obscure the real meaning so people try to take meaning from context and everyone reads context differently so terms degenerate quickly.

Far simpler to say racist people are being racist

Lndnmummy · 28/04/2022 15:35

SenecaFallsRedux · 28/04/2022 14:18

which were terms to describe people of any race/colour that were awakened/alert/educated (ie woke) to the reality and suffering of black people living in westernised states characterised by white privilege and white supremacy.

Also, this original meaning of "woke" is a word from African American Vernacular English, another reason that misappropriating it and giving it a negative connotation is racially insensitive.

100%. You're much more elegant in your expression than me. Exactly that.

Lndnmummy · 28/04/2022 15:40

whosaidth1 · 28/04/2022 14:41

Since when are people being labeled as Karen's for standing up for women's rights, safeguarding of children etc???

To my knowledge @whosaidth1 no one has. @334bu is being obtuse, it will continue.

DFOD · 28/04/2022 15:54

Soapboxqueen · 28/04/2022 14:56

While the popular history of the term Karen is that it was born of black women towards racist white women in the US, I've also read that it came from incel chat sites to describe their ex-wives. They have form for this eg Chad's and Stacy's.

Whatever its origin, its broad meaning is now misogynistic eg 'shut up woman' no matter race, ethnicity, class, etc etc

This is the problem with euphemisms. They obscure the real meaning so people try to take meaning from context and everyone reads context differently so terms degenerate quickly.

Far simpler to say racist people are being racist

I agree - racism and derogatory behaviour needs to be called out for what it is time and time again regardless of the age, social class, gender or ethnicity of the perpetrator which is irrelevant and a distraction from the incident.

The terminology is also stereotype shorthand to mask oppression on the basis of age, social class, gender and ethnicity.

Killing (oppressing) two birds with one stone.

HRTQueen · 28/04/2022 16:00

racism unless direct is at times hard to call out

so the term Karen for many will fit the behaviour that is being directed at them

RachelshouldvegonetoParis · 28/04/2022 16:11

Since when are people being labeled as Karen's for standing up for women's rights, safeguarding of children etc???

I assume that this is with reference to GC.

mudgetastic · 28/04/2022 16:15

HRTQueen · 28/04/2022 16:00

racism unless direct is at times hard to call out

so the term Karen for many will fit the behaviour that is being directed at them

Yes when used by a white male to a women the racism angle is clearly .......... missing

SmiledWtherisingsun · 28/04/2022 16:46

Yes.

bendmeoverbackwards · 28/04/2022 17:30

My supposedly woke DDs call ME a Karen. Bloody annoys me.

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