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Any dentists here?

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mubarak86 · 22/04/2022 17:14

Ds applied for dentistry, got 2 interviews and sadly despite very good predicted grades didn't get any offers. He thought the interviews went well, did loads of prep and even paid for some coaching.
My question is, as a dentist what do you think is important to be spoken about at interviews? What important qualities are priority for dentists? This isn't a difinitive answer, just individual opinions or any pointers for next time around.
TIA

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RobinHumphries · 22/04/2022 18:45

It’s a long time since I went for interviews at dental school so don’t know what they’d be asking for however I would say the most important quality for a dentist is to be a good communicator.
I think being aware of the current situation in dentistry is important (for example the national shortage of NHS dentists, the minimata convention how that applies etc etc)
He needs a good answer for why he wants to be a dentist and lastly needs to ask questions about the course something like is it lecture based or evidence based learning, continual assessment vs end of year exams

mubarak86 · 22/04/2022 18:54

Thank you so much, that is very helpful. Can I ask you what you find most stressful about being a dentist?

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RobinHumphries · 22/04/2022 19:08

the most stressful part of dentistry is the fear of litigation/ complaints

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BarbaraofSeville · 22/04/2022 20:00

Related to that, maybe asking questions or being knowledgable/interested in the regulatory side.

I do some consultancy work related to this and I know that a lot of dentists are (understandably) irritated/frustrated/quite fucked off about this sort of thing that gets in the way of them being a hands on dentist and quite often might not necessarily improve the patient experience/care.

Also the seeming explosion in cosmetic dentistry in recent years? Again, this is something that my work touches on and I'm quite baffled that there are apparently sufficient people willing and able to spend tens of thousands on having their teeth made extra nice and hence dentists investing massive sums so they can offer this service.

Also, maybe not take this personally, dentistry is a very competitive field and it has to be that, if there are 50 places (or whatever) and 500 applicants who could all be first class dentists, then 90% of them won't get accepted.

mubarak86 · 23/04/2022 02:38

Thanks @BarbaraofSeville@BarbaraofSeville, that's useful. Do you think panelists want interviewees to actually ask questions? Would this give them extra points? Unfortunately it's more like 50 places for 1000 applicants.

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fallfallfall · 23/04/2022 02:48

where i'm from dentistry, medicine and vet training all require hours of volunteer work to pass the panel interview.

BarbaraofSeville · 23/04/2022 07:01

@mubarak86 Sorry, I should have clarified with I'm not a dentist but am only commenting based on working closely with dentists for many years.

On the matter of asking questions at interview, I think this is something that is always seen as important, but obviously they have to be sensible questions. Having a good answer to why he wants to be a dentist is probably important and one that doesn't include 'to make lots of money' Smile

Is there such a thing of work experience in a practice or something similar at the dental schools? Do you know any dentists personally who can advise or offer a placement? I do remember one time I took my cats to the vets there was a young man there who they explained was either on work experience or a veterinary student but I don't know if the same happens in dentistry.

Off the wall suggestion, is there scope for your DS to go to dental school overseas?

But I'm now wondering what the 95% of people who don't get accepted onto a course do. I suppose some will get accepted at other universities, but there must be many who don't.

I don't suppose he's interested in being a hygienist, therapist or dental technician?

RobinHumphries · 23/04/2022 08:13

I don’t think work experience is as important as it was. When I did work experience I was allowed to suction so was in a perfect position to see what was going on. Nowadays you have to have your hep B jabs before you can touch anything so work experience students are stuck in a chair at the other side of the room bored witless.
Extra curriculars are important, D of E for example shows team work, and I volunteered in a youth group which showed leadership skills
I also had a hobby (cross stitch) which I took samples of to show my manual dexterity

mubarak86 · 23/04/2022 10:03

Work experience is essential for most dental schools (although they relaxed a bit due to COVID) an ds got a good amount both virtual and in person. He's going to take a gap year an do the dental nursing diploma to get as much clinical experience as possible. If he doesn't get in next year he'll do pharmacy or something else. It's very soul destroying to see people on TSR doing their third gap year because they still haven't received any offers.

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mubarak86 · 23/04/2022 10:08

@RobinHumphries no, going overseas isn't an option due to finances. There's also a major backlog problem with the ORE (the exam overseas dentists sit to allow them to practise in UK) which has meant that some dentists haven't been able to work for 3+ years, so thats another reason not to go overseas.

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RobinHumphries · 23/04/2022 11:10

@mubarak86 I didn’t suggest he goes overseas but as you’ve mentioned it the ORE exam is only if they want to practice unsupervised, quite a few dentists get a mentor and do the equivalent of a VDP year. Otherwise I would suggest he does therapy and seeing if he can transfer mid course or do the dental degree after gaining the therapy qualification. I currently work with someone who is currently doing that and she works occasional weekends and holidays to make money

mubarak86 · 23/04/2022 11:23

Sorry Robin, tagged the wrong person. From what I've read if you don't do the ORE the only alternative is to apply for temporary registration, which requires you getting someone to supervise you. It seems many are reluctant to do this and as I said according to GDC website qualified dentists can sit for years without any clinical experience (and then GDC definitely don't want to give you registration).
Regarding therapy, he's very against it. It's also very competitive and only one grade lower than dentistry. Graduate dentistry is also much more competitive, so the chances of getting in are much lower than undergrad. I'm just hoping this extra clinical experience will give him more to talk about during the interview.

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timeforteanow · 23/04/2022 11:59

Has he considered one of the Scottish universities? There were no graduates this past year, due to Covid, and we are facing a massive recruitment crisis. It is likely that they will increase the numbers of students in the next few years to fill the gaps. Both Dundee snd Glasgow are excellent, and Aberdeen is a post grad course, so a good science or health care degree prior to applying is beneficial.

The units also do an access to dentistry programme, where you can visit the university and find our more about the course, have an opportunity to meet the tutors in advance. I'd find our as much as I could about that and ensure you attend.

Regarding interviews, I would say that each student that gets to the interview stage will likely already be a high flier with excellent grades/predicted grades, not to mention good applications forms demonstrating a wide range of work experience etc.

You need to stand out from the others. You need good communication skills. Full stop. Nothing more important. You need to be natural, as relaxed as possible and take a measured approach in your responses.

I'm not sure what questions an applicant would be asked, but when I j yet view the undergraduates applying for VDP jobs, I want to find out about their previous employment and have they got a good work ethic. It's amazing how many don't think to include this in their cvs.

I want to know about their DoE experience, their foreign or local travels, about any hobbies and local projects or volunteering they have been involved in.

Any experience of dentistry? Have they observed a practitioner or even spoken to one before?

Challenges in the job- coming out of the pandemic, Extra PPE and ventilation concerns/fallow time, how to fund NHS work at present, fear of complaints and litigation, fluoridation of water, Minimata convention, Instagram perfect teeth snd foreign dentistry tourism, high patient expectations whilst expecting the work on a budget, high rates of general anaesthetic for removal of kids teeth.

You need to demonstrate that you are not all study study study and have a good work/life balance. I'd ask about the students Union/ student life/what the university town is like.
I'd ask if first years get mentoring from more senior students. I'd ask if there were any opportunities to get involved in research, audit or projects within the local community.

I'd also prepare answers on what are your strengths and weaknesses ( and how you overcome the weaknesses), to describe a time you were part of a team, a time when you demonstrated leadership, how you would make a nervous patient feel more relaxed, how you would deal with a patient complaint, and what qualities you think are most important to have as a dentist- look at care, compassion, empathy, responsibility, integrity etc etc.

I'd also look at the regulators page ( GDC) and read up on the Standards. Professionalism is a big thing. The BDA have some great resources as well

mubarak86 · 23/04/2022 13:39

@timeforteanow thats all very helpful, thank you. Glasgow would have been one of his top choices but he decided not to apply to any Scottish universities because they are only offering 50% of usual places, so competition was double. I'm hoping by next year things might have calmed down a bit, although a lot of offers so far have been deferred so I think it might take a good 3 or 4 years for things to get back to normal.

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mubarak86 · 25/04/2022 15:56

Bumping just incase anyone else has something to offer.

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mubarak86 · 28/04/2022 10:48

I have one more question if anyone is still around please. What is a 'good' and realistic answer to why you want to do dentistry?

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timeforteanow · 30/04/2022 12:56

good' and realistic answer to why you want to do dentistry?

*Good work/life balance
*the challenges of time management, organisation and treatment planning
*Creativity- being able to turn something ugly into something beautiful
*Helping people in pain
*Interesting subjects to learn, varied curriculum- medical sciences such as anatomy and pathology, behavioural sciences, dental materials and technology, oral medicine.
*exploring cutting edge medical, dental and technological advances such as 3D printers/ intra oral scanners/implants.

Relate your reason to something personal that might have occurred, for instance "I fell off my bike a broke a tooth, had to visit the dentist, and the experience I had.... "

mubarak86 · 30/04/2022 20:03

Thanks again @timeforteanow@timeforteanow, very helpful answers.

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