Asylum seekers to the UK sent to Rwanda

[Dodie66]

What do you think about the governments plan to send all asylum seekers that come to the UK to Rwanda to be processed. I think this is inhumane. A lot of them have come from places like Syria, Iran etc and travelled across the channel with all the associated risks only to be sent 6000 mile to be processed. What about the cost to do this? I think it’s a big mistake

There would be plenty to go round if people like the Sunak's had coughed up their taxes, or we hadn't wasted £37 billion on the failed test and trace. But please yourselves, you want to put up with this crap situation so keep the excuses rolling.

As long as the asylum seekers are found to be genuine and given safe asylum or not genuine and the offer of help to get home I'm ok with it. I live in a town severely affected by immigrants.

A lot of people hide each other in their homes, they're then not on record and services are taken up, crime goes up, they often hang about in gangs and intimidate people, they often aren't great around the women included myself and happily go and touch you without permission, they've often not seen women have such freedoms and struggle to get used to the idea. I had one grab my hair in the street and sniff it. I didn't even know what to do.

So many people don't understand the problems that are behind having so many in one area, I understand them trying to come here but when you're born in a place that has changed unrecognisably from the one you grew up in in a very negative manner as a result you just want this issue sorted.

Every scrap of land near us is being built on, flats normally.

I agree about Rishi but how many others are doing a similar thing, they are not on the PAYE perhaps and they have another place of residence outside the UK to do this.

It's not a level playing field

@annabelindajane

I think the Elephant in the room that none may whisper is that a lot of the economic migrants from non war torn countries often don’t work once they get here .

How true is this though and what is it based on? Remember of course that asylum seekers are not allowed to work while waiting for their claim to be processed (which can take 18 months +). So groups of “young men hanging around doing nothing” means they’re actually following the law.

@hibiscusfizz I’m so sorry you had that experience. I would say a sharp slap to the face is in order but that’s impossible and not safe when you’re outnumbered. Report that kind of behaviour to the police every time and/or local charities that work with asylum seekers so they can know there’s a problem to fix.

@BewareTheLibrarians that's part of the problem. Our town is so crime ridden that no one calls the police. Including me. The police do not care. I am not saying that as someone anti police, I'm saying that as someone who knows full well it won't help anything. You think people haven't already called the police?!

They do work. They often have one legitimate ID that they all use. But it will more likely be things like delivery driver work so not that detectable that the 'official' worker isn't actually doing the job.

A large group of any sex/colour/ethnicity late at night is petrifying in a tiny village.

Your local WI must be pretty fucking scary then.

Which party has been in power since 2010 and has cut back Police numbers then?

If people are interested, this is a Government report from Dec 2021 on asylum applications and outcomes

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-statistics-year-ending-december-2021/how-many-people-do-we-grant-asylum-or-protection-to

@hibiscusfizz - that is the issue. One per village is no problem at all. It is when the local population become the minority and the new comers do not obey the laws whether that be noise at night, dumping litter, driving badly, double parking as if were in a capital city where they came from and much else. The problem is the numbers, not an individual family being allowed in.

@MidnightMeltdown

I think it's a good idea. These people infuriate me. Most of them are not genuine refugees, they are economic migrants. Believe me, I have family who live on the Kent coast and this is right on their doorstep. Asylum should not be granted to anyone who crosses the channel illegally.

Oh that's funny that your family know the intricate details of each individual person's background, just by living on the Kent coast. Because I used to live next door to the place they were being housed on the Kent coast and would see many of them every single day and I wouldn't be able to tell you an 'economic migrant' just from living next to them. Do they wear a certain badge or something?

[quote Xenia]**@hibiscusfizz - that is the issue. One per village is no problem at all. It is when the local population become the minority and the new comers do not obey the laws whether that be noise at night, dumping litter, driving badly, double parking as if were in a capital city where they came from and much else. The problem is the numbers, not an individual family being allowed in.[/quote]
It has become like that

So many motorbikes with leaner signs I've noticed recently

Learner

[quote Xenia]**@hibiscusfizz - that is the issue. One per village is no problem at all. It is when the local population become the minority and the new comers do not obey the laws whether that be noise at night, dumping litter, driving badly, double parking as if were in a capital city where they came from and much else. The problem is the numbers, not an individual family being allowed in.[/quote]
Shocking and hideous crimes that no white or British person has ever committed, I’m sure.

While one person per village is a bit extreme, I do agree that being more spread out benefits people on both sides of this. Why don’t the government do this? I’ve asked before on this thread, but why no safe resettlement which would reduce boat crossings and the burden on Kent, and spread the load more evenly? I’m not saying this never happens, but it doesn’t happen enough and is a rightful cause for concern.

For all I can say that 8% of the EU’s asylum applicants is a small number, if they’re all in the same place it stokes resentment from locals and makes the situation feel worse and more overwhelming than it needs to be. It’s unfair, and stokes division and hatred. Oh, so prime Tory policy then 🤷🏻‍♀️ Why are the government happy to do this?

While each of the 32 nations in the EU and EFTA had some unauthorized immigrants in 2017, the largest numbers were in Germany and the United Kingdom, amounting to about half of Europe’s total.
This was taken from pew research.

This is why the issue needs to be sorted. We can throw statistics round until the end of time but in the end it all needs sorting out. There must be a reason we have so many unauthorised people here.
@BewareTheLibrarians imo it's the whole of Europe that needs to get together and spread these people about more fairly not just in the U.K.

Safe routes and resettlement schemes would cut the number of “unauthorised” immigrants (although not those who overstay their visas - that needs more monitoring.)

In terms of European cooperation, Brexit has put the kibosh on the UK being able to return asylum seekers to EU countries:

In the ‘New Plan for Immigration’, the UK government admitted its plans for the return of inadmissible asylum seekers are ‘contingent on securing returns agreements’ with safe third countries. Without such agreements, Home Office removals would not be facilitated by third countries meaning removals occurring would be on dubious legal grounds.

It is looking highly unlikely that the UK will secure bilateral returns agreements with its EU member state neighbours.

ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/asylum-policy-after-brexit/

[quote Xenia]**@hibiscusfizz - that is the issue. One per village is no problem at all. It is when the local population become the minority and the new comers do not obey the laws whether that be noise at night, dumping litter, driving badly, double parking as if were in a capital city where they came from and much else. The problem is the numbers, not an individual family being allowed in.[/quote]
The people you are describing sound like British people living all over the U.K. Why do you think newcomers would do the same?

Patel has asked critics to come up with solutions:

My first response to that is:

What are we trying to solve?

Is it?

1. Stopping asylum seekers using dangerous means to come to the UK?

2. Reducing the number of asylum seekers applying for asylum in the UK?

3. Reducing the role of people smugglers who smuggle people to Europe from countries where refugees flee from?

Are we happy to have significant numbers of asylum seekers here if they come via legal routes or are people concerned that there are too many?

If we have processing centres in Calais, then there will be people smugglers who have to get people into Europe so they can get to the processing centres .

So the question I would ask Patel is - what is she trying to solve ?

She may well reduce the number of people crossing in boats

There will be more people coming to the camps though - so what happens then? Do we encourage them to apply for asylum from these camps?

Or are we closed to refugees?

And is it moral to take young fit economic migrants - they need to make their own countries work .

@hibiscusfizz

While each of the 32 nations in the EU and EFTA had some unauthorized immigrants in 2017, the largest numbers were in Germany and the United Kingdom, amounting to about half of Europe’s total. This was taken from pew research.

This is why the issue needs to be sorted. We can throw statistics round until the end of time but in the end it all needs sorting out. There must be a reason we have so many unauthorised people here.
@BewareTheLibrarians imo it's the whole of Europe that needs to get together and spread these people about more fairly not just in the U.K.

That would probably be our lack of ID cards and resulting ease of finding illegal work + the closing down of safe routes for asylum seekers meaning that virtually the only way you can successfully claim asylum here is to get here on a dinghy.

Currently the government only seem to be in favour of using is to restrict access to voting for its own citizens otherwise we might have tried doing something that would actually reduce the people smuggling.

I think it's a great idea.

Our country cant cope with the increasing numbers coming here ILLEGALLY, at least 28,526 last year, 7,000 already this year with predictions of 60,000 by the end of the year.
The government has to do something and the majority of the country is behind this plan.

They are not victims of evil traffickers, they are economic migrants who pay a lot of money to travel here illegally by choice from France, who destroy their ID documentation so we have no idea who they are.
If this plan acts as a deterrent I think that's a good thing isn't it?

For people who are claiming it's inhumane to send them to Rwanda where they will receive free accommodation and meals paid for by us, what's your alternative answer to solve this serious growing problem then?

Also just to add, yes it will cost a lot but we are already paying five million a day for their upkeep, I know I would rather we paid a bit more per year and have them elsewhere as our country has changed dramatically in some areas due to the negative effects of immigration.

I'm not sure if this will be readable but it's the stats for when Australians put asylum seekers off shore.
It proved very successful.
From the Spectator this week.

The majority arriving in the U.K. are granted leave to remain here.

what dramatic changes are you referring to?

Well said @MyWinterRose.

Another thing with the U.K. is that though we seem to have a lot of land for the size of population much is hills etc. We are crowded.

@MyWinterRose Have you read the thread?

I’m assuming you haven’t, because questions like “what’s your alternative answer to this serious growing problem” have already been answered on this thread.

I’ve also explained, just a few posts above yours, how the “negative effects” are exacerbated by the government holding everyone on the same place. There’s no requirement for them to do that, they just don’t care how it affects people in Kent. and that’s the fault of the government, not the asylum seekers.