Asylum seekers to the UK sent to Rwanda

[Dodie66]

What do you think about the governments plan to send all asylum seekers that come to the UK to Rwanda to be processed. I think this is inhumane. A lot of them have come from places like Syria, Iran etc and travelled across the channel with all the associated risks only to be sent 6000 mile to be processed. What about the cost to do this? I think it’s a big mistake

What is the reason we don't process asylum seekers in Calais?

Because France is a sovereign nation and now that weve left the EU to become a sovereign nation what would be the incentive for France to let us do this?

@Doodar

It will probably cost far less to send them there than house them etc here. May convince more of them to claim asylum in the first safe country they come to.

Why should they have to?

so many of those arriving by dinghy are 17 year old men

Are these the ones that pretend to be children ?

@lollipoprainbow
how would anyone know?

@JustAnotherPoster00

What is the reason we don't process asylum seekers in Calais?

Because France is a sovereign nation and now that weve left the EU to become a sovereign nation what would be the incentive for France to let us do this?

Well, for humanatarian reasons - surely incentive enough to cooperate? We all need to work together and stop scoring points

Someone once wondered, why does the UK not have a promising right wing / facist party on the rise. A pithy response? The current government can more than placate their interests. Looking at this thread they aren't wrong. A heady mix of 'kick out those foreigners' mixed with 'concern' about people traffickers. On a parenting forum no less.

We live next door to a hotel that has housed immigrants for over two years while they are awaiting processing of their asylum applications. There is a constant new stream coming through. They are all young men, not a single woman or child has been seen. They go around the local area (quiet village) in massive groups, it's very intimidating. Often they go off to town at strange times of the day (suspected that they are going off to work). We see them waiting at the bus stop. I don't believe for one second that these men have fled war. Ukraine has shown a completely different side to war for me. All men ordered to stay and fight, women and children can leave and seek refuge in other countries. So why are we not seeing women and children from other countries where it is so terrible only the men can leave?

The amount of different people we have seen pass through the village in two years is phenomenal. We simply cannot find anymore space for these people. We can't provide housing for people born in this country, let alone more people coming in. Something has to be done and as the EU aren't going to implement their own rules and we are the last port of call, what choice do we have. And as for the " we speak English so we need to come to Britain" thing. English is one of the most widely spoken languages in the whole world, and quite frankly, if I was fleeing for my life, I wouldn't give two hoots about a language barrier.

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It is down to those that oppose this to use language other than try and tug on the emotive angle and offer solutions, either way it's going to be a difficult situation for some to have without having to resort to terms such as far right, racists or concentration camp.

This is an easy win for those that oppose it, as we are capable of critical thinking and have a good grasp of geopolitics and economics, so it's an open goal to offer a solution that can somehow sideline harder enforced deportations of those that have failed asylum.

Holy hell Delia, I was really supportive of asylum seekers until your post, but hearing that they walk around on their own legs and use bus stops well it sickens me. How dare they. That must have been terrible to see. You’re in my prayers tonight.

Sorry @DelilahBucket not delia, I am so shocked I can’t even write straight.

@DelilahBucket - which country would you like them to go to escape wars in Syria, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq etc? Look at how many Turkey and German have taken and Poland with the Ukrainian refugees. The U.K. does little.

Look at the size of France and Germany compared to the uk

Let's do a little bit of thinking shall we.

You're a parent in Afghanistan or Syria, you have a son and a daughter both late teens/early twenties.

Your son is at risk of being forced to fight and/or being killed for the crime of being male and there. He is generally healthy and stronger physically than your daughter.

Your daughter is at risk of forced marriage/rape in home country but won't be forced to join an army. She wasn't allowed to be educated so can't read and is weaker physically than your son though still generally healthy, she's also obviously at risk of rape/abuse on the journey. There may also be religious reasons why it would be inappropriate according to your religion to send a girl/women off to travel and live with strangers unaccompanied.

You can afford to send one of your children to seek asylum and know that the journey will require staying in refugee camps in unknown countries, travelling with strangers, crossing seas in a small dinghy. The hope is that your child will make it to safety so that they are safe but also so that they can try to get your other child(ren) to safety too once they are established.

Which child do you send?

Here's some more reasons why men are more likely to show up 8n a dinghy then women www.globalcitizen.org/en/content/five-explanations-to-why-the-majority-of-refugees/

@MrsLargeEmbodied

Look at the size of France and Germany compared to the uk

Rwanda is 10,017 square miles

UK is 95,000 square miles

Rwanda population is 14 million

UK population is 68 million

@MrsLargeEmbodied

Look at the size of France and Germany compared to the uk

Yes, that’s why they take more asylum seekers than the UK.

Of all the asylum seekers that enter the EU, the UK takes in 8%.

The number of refugees, pending asylum seekers and stateless people in the UK totals 0.26% of the UK’s population.

www.refugee-action.org.uk/about/facts-about-refugees/

The vast majority of refugees – 4 out of 5 – stay in their region of displacement, and consequently are hosted by developing countries. Turkey now hosts the highest number of refugees with 3.7 million.

www.unhcr.org/uk/asylum-in-the-uk.html

The vast majority of refugees – 4 out of 5 – stay in their region of displacement, and consequently are hosted by developing countries. Turkey now hosts the highest number of refugees with 3.7 million

That figure is astonishing

Turkey has a population of 81 million. Its economy seems to be having massive issues at the moment - inflation is really high.

And nearly 4 million refugees. You have to wonder how the refugees are coping and how well Turkey is being supported to help support these refugees.

I suspect these statistics aren't too well known.

@lollipoprainbow

so many of those arriving by dinghy are 17 year old men

Are these the ones that pretend to be children ?

They're 17, they are children.

Interesting....and familiar

www.turkishminute.com/2022/04/16/rian-refugees-say-life-in-turkey-extremely-difficult-amid-current-economic-crisis/

An 18-year-old man identified as Muhammed said he had been in Turkey for seven years with his mother and six siblings. They earned their living by selling water and napkins on the street.

“We can’t get proper jobs or enroll in school because Turkey has canceled our residence cards. We were deported to Idlib, but there were many Islamic State sympathizers there, and since we’re Kurds we couldn’t stay,” he said.

Muhammed explained that they found a way to return to Turkey but had to live with no official registration in a city or residence permits. He added that they lived in a one-room-apartment but struggled to pay the rent.

“We can’t return to Syria, but we can’t live decently here, either. We hope to return to Syria as soon as it’s safe for us,” he said.

Other Syrians also complained of rising rent and dwindling salaries. Many said social discrimination added to their economic problems. “Turks blame us for the economic crisis and for stealing their jobs,” said a Syrian man named Ferad. “But many Syrians work in jobs other people don’t want to do, anyway. We actually contribute to the economy, but politicians always point at us as the reason for the crisis.”

Turkey is currently in the middle of an economic crisis as consumer prices accelerated to an annual rate of 61.14 percent, up from 54.4 percent in February.

Refugees in Turkey have been increasingly targeted by hate speech and hate crimes and are blamed for many of Turkey’s social and economic ills.

Turkish media including pro-government and opposition outlets fuel and exploit the flames of hatred against Syrians in Turkey.

@BewareTheLibrarians yes huge groups of young men wandering around a village in the middle of nowhere late at night or travelling into a very small town at 10pm is worrying and it is clear they are here to to work. Don't condescend me. A large group of any sex/colour/ethnicity late at night is petrifying in a tiny village.

@Parker231 my point is these men are not running from war and compared to the countries you mention, what is the population to land mass vs the UK? Perhaps that will answer your question. Rwanda needs young men to work to build the country and economy, we do not.

my point is these men are not running from war and compared to the countries you mention, what is the population to land mass vs the UK? Perhaps that will answer your question. Rwanda needs young men to work to build the country and economy, we do not

What nationalities do you think they are?

Like some others on here, I am running out of words to describe how much I hate our current government. I often get as far as revile, loathe, detest, and abhor, and then they'll do something else that means those words aren't strong enough any more.

And this is one of the things I don't get about Tory voters, who don't seem to understand that by continuing to vote them in, they are complicit or colluding at best with this policy and so many others that show just how much Tories hate other humans (obviously the ones that aren't the right colour, or didn't go to the right school, or with the wrong kind of disability or chronic condition, or who weren't clever enough to be born into the right family with the right connections). (There's another word I could use beginning with "coll" from WWII but I can hear the whooshing over heads noise from here.)

But hey, as long as Boris knows what a woman is, eh, that's the most important guidance on where to put that cross come voting day.

@DelilahBucket Sitting in a hotel room for 24 hours a day for months is pretty soul destroying. If they’re working, well, I’m torn between worrying that they’re being exploited and relieved that they’ve found a purpose rather than being stuck in a hotel room going slowly crazy. Have you ever spoken to any of them? Even a smile and a hello, instead of assuming they’re the enemy?

“These men are not even running from war”

Are you sure about that?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflicts

Of all the asylum seekers that enter the EU, the UK takes in 8%.

And?

a quick rebuttal is how to does that relate to density rates, offering a simpistic percentage is not addressing the situation at a deeper level that is going to be asked.

It's this simplistic response of 'we should do more' type response as not really adressing the situation, the go to brown field type responses is then going to be highlighted of Labour supporters being nimbys.

It's easy to say we should be doing more, and not offer a viable alternative that is based on strong principles where you are wanting to protect the current poor in the housing and cost of living increase situation.

As I posted before, the polls are showing this is just a small echo chamber and not in tuch with the wider population