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Not comfortable with MIL looking after DD alone?

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StoppingTime · 08/04/2022 13:20

A long one, sorry. Just a bit of an AIBU / checking if my gut instinct is right about this situation or not.

A bit of context so as not to drip feed - My MIL has 8 DC and absolutely loves babies, and says she would have had more if nature had let her. My DH (the eldest) does love his mum but has always found her a bit stifling / controlling of him. As he got older he felt she tried to keep him from growing up, for example not wanting him to go off to university (which he did anyway) and stifling him a bit, eg calling him early mornings every day during his finals to check he was up, even after he asked her to stop. After university he moved to a city 3 hrs away from his mum's home for his job, and as an adult he has generally seen her about 3-4 times a year. They are not really close but they get on to a polite level, if that makes sense. She has always been fine to me, although she was quite overly invested in our wedding and there were a few tears when we didn't do things as traditionally as she would have chosen, but mainly directed at DH rather than me. She was also quite full on during my pregnancy, albeit via text as we were in lockdown, eg asking us to text her as soon as I went into labour (which we didn't do). I know she was incredibly keen to be a granny so I did understand she was very excited.

When our DD was born it was during lockdown as well so MIL didn't see as much of the baby as we would have normally expected, (for the first month it wasn't even legal) but we arranged some outdoor gatherings in the warmer weather and picnics etc. From the first day MIL was very clear that she wanted to look after DD on her own. At our first meeting she offered to drive 3 hrs to look after DD 3 days a week so I could go back to work. (This would be a 6 hr round trip per day). I was polite but non-committal as it felt too soon to be thinking about this with DD only tiny and it had come out of the blue. Afterwards DH said to me that he didn't feel comfortable with DMIL looking after our DD. He said that her reasons for offering were for her own needs rather than thinking first about DD or us. I did feel it was quite a "full on" offer from MIL considering she's not really close to DH, and the 6 hour round trip making it completely impractical! In my gut I did feel she wanted to get back that feeling of having a baby to look after.

Anyway, a year later after a number of other meet ups, we asked MIL and DH's sister to visit for the day, and we suggested that MIL might like to spend some time with DD. (She had been texting us to ask about this on a fortnightly basis, always framing it as "to help you out" but my DH still felt a bit uneasy). Anyway we felt that due to lockdown our DD hadn't had any opportunity to spend time away from us so it would be good for her and it would be nice for MIL, as we did feel sorry for her not having seen as much of us all due to Covid. So we arranged to go out for lunch just me and DH whilst MIL and SIL stayed in our home with DD. This was very much something we felt we were doing for MIL.

Bearing in mind this was the first time we had ever left DD, and in my case (due to lockdown) the first time I had ever been apart from her at all except from when DH looked after her. As you can imagine I was slightly nervous. Not being all "PFB" I hope, just in the normal natural sense that as a first time mum I was leaving my baby to be cared for someone other than my husband and I felt a bit anxious, which I think is understandable. But I knew it was a good thing to be doing and that she'd be perfectly safe.

I felt sure that in spite of MIL's obvious desire to have DD all to herself, as a mum of 8 she would definitely sympathise with the nerves I felt and be considerate about it. I showed her round DD's room, not teaching her to suck eggs as I knew she's experienced looking after babies, but just pointing out stuff she'd need to know like where nappies and wipes were kept, what to give as a snack etc. As I did this she changed a bit, and became impatient and seemed to be rushing me along a bit, saying "yes yes" as if she was itching for us to leave.

Just before DH and I left the house, I said to MIL "look I know I'm being silly, and everything will be absolutely fine, but I'd really appreciate it if you could text us after an hour or so, just to let us know DD is okay, as it's the first time we've left her". MIL said of course.

At the cafe where we were waiting, after an hour there was no text. We both felt nervous but knew we were just experiencing what every first time parents do, and decided to try and enjoy our lunch and not worry. After 1.5 hours however, we became a little bit anxious. DH said he would send a casual text to MIL just to check in. He did so but there was no reply. She always texts back straight away so that made us more nervy! Then I said, look I know it's silly but can we just give her a quick call and say we just wanted to check in. So DH rang her but there was no answer. That only made us feel more nervous! So then we decided to call SIL and she didn't answer! By now I felt slightly nervous, even though I knew it was most likely to be fine, but I felt a bit annoyed as I had explicitly asked MIL to text us.

Anyway, long story short SIL finally rang us another hour later saying all was fine but they had not seen their phones.

We returned home after about 3 hrs. When we got home the first thing MIL said was it all went brilliantly and that "DD didn't miss her mummy and daddy one bit". I felt this was a slightly ill-judged remark, but at the time I was feeling a bit sensitive because of the situation.

MIL continued to say how smoothly it had all gone and how she'd be happy to do this every week or more if we wanted it. She left the room to go to the bathroom and during normal conversation SIL let it slip that DD had been in tears - apparently she had seen a photo of me on the wall and had cried for mama and needed comforting. Nothing major and after 20 minutes she'd been fine, but why didn't MIL just tell us this outright?

After the visit, DH said that he felt his mum was painting it all out to be smooth and perfect so that we would ask her to look after DD more often. He said he felt she was being a bit disingenuous. I felt a lack of trust in MIL after her failing to phone us. I felt like this was a basic boundary that she had overstepped.

We are now at the stage where DD is older and so far we haven't left her with MIL again. We only tend to see DH's family a handful of times a year anyway, but MIL has been asking and asking to look after DD, and suggesting set days etc. She even bought an expensive Wendy house which her partner built in her garden, even though we haven't been to her house with DD before!

My gut feeling is that I don't trust her to look after DD alone. Not because I don't think DD would be safe - I'm quite sure she would be physically safe with MIL, but AIBU to feel that MIL's boundaries feel a bit off? Eg I can imagine a situation where DD was crying, sick or slightly bumped her head or something, where an objective carer or nanny would think "right, I'd better call mum" but where MIL might think she will deal with it herself, cover it all up and then not tell me about it later.

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girlmom21 · 08/04/2022 18:55

Ok, in what way dramatic?

Your daughter was comfortable and happy with her. She didn't tell you she was upset because she didn't want you to feel guilty when it was a non-issue.

She asks to care for her but doesn't overstep or push herself on your family.

She's just happy to have a grandchild and your DD was safe in her care.

Your DH obviously found her overbearing as a mother, but she's been pretty respectful as a GM thus far.

Classicblunder · 08/04/2022 19:03

Of course she is your child, if you don't feel comfortable that's fine but I don't really understand the "she is only offering for her own reasons, not to help us out" stuff - isn't it a good thing if she wants to babysit because she wants to? Wouldn't it be a bad thing if she was offering only out of obligation?

I admit, as someone with zero family help, I don't really understand why you wouldn't want your MIL - a mother of 8 so extremely capable - to babysit occasionally

justsaynope · 08/04/2022 19:29

I feel the same way about my MIL.

And can I just say, just because she's had 8 children of her own it doesn't make her Mary Poppins.

My MIL had 6 children and always tells us all these stories of how well looked after they were and how she had it really hard. It's the complete opposite of what my DH remembers.
She sees my DC once a week in our house whilst we're there, and to be honest some of the things she's done in front of our own eyes is enough to make me never trust leaving her alone with them.

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StoppingTime · 09/04/2022 07:46

She asks to care for her but doesn't overstep or push herself on your family.

She's just happy to have a grandchild and your DD was safe in her care.

Your DH obviously found her overbearing as a mother, but she's been pretty respectful as a GM thus far.

Ok, this is not the case. Not sure if you missed that from my OP. She definitely has been overbearing. The texting every fortnight offering 3 days a week even though it's obviously completely impractical at 6hrs journey? This definitely feels like 'pushing' herself.

And it wasn't respectful not to text on the first occasion we left our baby when we asked her to. It was a boundary we set for that first occasion which she couldn't even meet.

There are other things I've not mentioned like her turning up in a park 5 minutes away from our home, but that's on top of everything else.

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StoppingTime · 09/04/2022 07:53

Of course she is your child, if you don't feel comfortable that's fine but I don't really understand the "she is only offering for her own reasons, not to help us out" stuff - isn't it a good thing if she wants to babysit because she wants to? Wouldn't it be a bad thing if she was offering only out of obligation?

I think what my husband feels with that comment us that she has always said how sad she was she had to stop having babies, after the 8th one, and he feels she forgets the baby isn't hers. That her motivations are a bit wrapped up in meeting her needs to feel like a mum again, rather than thinking about what we /our DD actually needs. Eg offering to drive 3hrs each way for 3 days a week when DD was still only very tiny and I hadn't even thought about my return to work.

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Quornflakegirl · 09/04/2022 07:56

I’m failing to see a problem here. Your dd has a grandmother who loves her and wants to be involved in her life, this is a good thing.

RussianSpy101 · 09/04/2022 08:01

She probably didn’t mention the crying because you were clearly very anxious about leaving your child for the first time and she didn’t want you worrying.
She probably also thought that by not texting you’d be able to enjoy your meal. Yes it wasn’t the right thing for you, but I believe she meant well.

She doesn’t come across as a malice person at all. If you don’t want to leave your daughter with her you don’t have to.

RussianSpy101 · 09/04/2022 08:03

@StoppingTime I’m sure she didn’t forget your baby isn’t hers 😂 you said yourself she’s excited to be a granny!
As for the offering to drive when you had a newborn; she sounds a fantastic grandmother! She was offering to help. It’s clearly not going to be appreciated by you and your husband but for many people, your MIL would be a godsend.

I’m pretty sure this woman couldn’t win either way. If she didn’t ever want contact etc she’d be at fault then too!

spotcheck · 09/04/2022 08:17

But her boundaries HAVEN'T been off.

You keep mentioning boundaries, but I can't see it?
She has offered numerous things ( which seems quite nice) but clearly hasn't pushed herself on you, so has taken no for an answer.
Saying that your daughter didn't miss you is ( imo) a clumsy slightly old fashioned way of saying that everything was fine. Which it was.

So, your daughter cried for 20 mins, while she was being left for the first time with people she only sees a few times a year ? YOU and your DH haven't let her see your child much, so how can they build up a relationship? Only crying for 20 mins sounds like she did a brilliant job.

I'm at a loss wondering what this woman has done to upset you? She called your DH during finals so he would get up? Is that REALLY the worse parenting in the world? You know that there are many parents who don't give a shit right? Why is he hanging on to that?

It seems like she keeps asking, you both keep rebuffing, and when you do so, she complies. She's not turning up at your door, is she?

I think you and your husband are being quite mean to her

Classicblunder · 09/04/2022 08:45

I think what my husband feels with that comment us that she has always said how sad she was she had to stop having babies, after the 8th one, and he feels she forgets the baby isn't hers. That her motivations are a bit wrapped up in meeting her needs to feel like a mum again, rather than thinking about what we /our DD actually needs. Eg offering to drive 3hrs each way for 3 days a week when DD was still only very tiny and I hadn't even thought about my return to work.

I think what I am trying to say is that I don't necessarily think it's a problem that her motivations are about her feelings - it's ok for her to have feelings, she doesn't have to be totally selfless and only motivated by what you want. It would be a problem if she forced the issue or trampled on your feelings but it's ok if she expresses hers.

I do also think the time may come when you really want to be able to leave your DD with family and it's worth thinking carefully about whether turning this support away is really worth it.

We have zero family support and mostly it's fine, we get by with nursery and paid babysitters but, for example, childcare for DS1 when I was in labour with DS2 was extremely stressful and I would have been so so grateful for some family childcare when we moved house - all the removals firms cheerfully said "we recommend you send your kids to their grandparents for a couple of nights" hahahahaha

JustWhyy · 09/04/2022 08:57

From what you've written, I don't think she's over bearing at all, she sounds like a grand mother who wants to be involved in her granddaughters life.
She is even willing to do a 6 hour round trip to spend time with her.
I can't see why you haven't come up with a compromise with her?

VladmirsPoutine · 09/04/2022 08:58

This is one reason I genuinely dread becoming a MiL. A whole essay to basically say 'I don't want my MiL to be too involved with my baby'. The child is yours so you're within your rights to decide who can/cannot spend time with her. But again I dread the day I become a MiL.

StormyWaterCloud · 09/04/2022 09:11

I think you should listen to your DH. He knows his mum better than you and if he is not comfortable then he probably has good reason.

I don't think DMIL did anything "wrong" by not texting, all her attention was probably on DD which is what you want!

I think that you should foster DD to have a relationship with her grandmother, could you meet half way for lunch/soft play regularly?

She sounds like an excited grandmother who is offering to help, but you DHs reaction and views should be listened to too. His interpretation of her motivation may be right, or it may be coloured by being the eldest of 8 and feeling like his mums attention was directed at the babies in the family.

SpaghettiNotCourgetti · 09/04/2022 09:13

You and your DH know your family dynamic better than strangers on MN do, and I'd be inclined to followed DH's lead in a similar situation.

That being said: I definitely wouldn't have told you about you baby crying for 20 minutes until you got back. Babies do cry a bit when they're separated from their parents - I'd see that as part of babysitting and not as something to be reported. I would have mentioned it when you got back, though, and I'd also have found the 'didn't miss Mummy and Daddy at all' a bit Hmm

Did your SIL actually 'let it slip', or did she choose to tell you? Because in her situation I would have mentioned it and it would have been a very deliberate decision.

StoppingTime · 09/04/2022 11:14

Thanks, yeah I think there's a lot of history with DH and his mum here - he feels she's been very claustrophobic, and slightly controlling I suppose, eg getting involved in his contraception choices with his ex, asking to see evidence of stuff. The ringing his phone every morning at 7am was I think overbearing. He was a grown adult st the time and even when he asked her not to she continued. I can't see how the pp thinks that's ok.
As mentioned in the op there have been tears when DH has done things (normal life choices) she's not in line with, and he feels she can be emotionally manipulative. The Wendy house was also a bit strange.

Anyway I don't agree with the pp who said I just won't want MIL involved with my baby for no reason. It's not like that. I'm taking my husbands lead on this and he's never been that close to her for his reasons. I think there is an edge to MIL posts on MN and a lot of pp may be MIL's themselves and feel I've somehow offended them, but it's not a "simple" situation or a "normal" MIL set up where I know her well.

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StoppingTime · 09/04/2022 11:16

@SpaghettiNotCourgetti in answer to your question, after MIL left the room we were just chatting normally with SIL. Baby pointed at the photo which prompted SIL to say, "oh yeah, she was really really upset when she saw that photo, it was so sad..." etc etc.

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TashieWoo · 09/04/2022 12:24

I’m with you on this OP and as others have said, it is telling that your DP is in agreement with you, and she is his mum! So really I think you can relax a bit as he is on your side and he can manage this relationship. I think not texting or answering your call was pretty bad and didn’t make them look good. In fact, none of it does apart from SIL being honest about your DD crying for a little while.

For full disclosure though I am saying this from the position of being 37 weeks pregnant with my first baby, and also have a difficult MIL, I can see this happening to me but luckily she is also 2.5 hours away. My DP is listening to me but I think I could have problems when baby is here.

My MIL has 3 children and 5 grandchildren, remember that experience isn’t always a good thing!

HettyMeg · 28/02/2023 16:27

I'm with you, sounds like she has boundary issues.

DancingDaughter50 · 28/02/2023 17:29

Op some people are so thoughtless I just couldn't imagine putting my own dds under this stress and pressure to separate from their babies to please me.

I also couldn't imagine my dd going out for the first time, asking me to call and not calling.

I couldn't imagine being so thoughtless and selfish.

She just wants you totally out of the way so she can do her own thing and I think your dh is right, it's all about her.
Unfortunately I've had a selfish thoughtless one, we kept giving rope too and they kept taking a mile.

No actions here say I care about you.

"they didn't see their phones"... Wow how come when you had explicitly asked for a call?

It was clearly just not a priorty for Mil.

In which case she can't understand what your priorities are so how in earth could you leave the baby with her

TheBeesKnee · 28/02/2023 22:54

My cynical view is that she didn't text you after promising to because you didn't text her when you went into labour etc. A taste of your own medicine?

I agree that you haven't written anything about why she should be kept away from your child, aside from the impractical journey... However, she sounds familiar. I know people who are equally overbearing and smothering and interfering and unfortunately you do need to maintain iron clad boundaries with those sorts of people, even if that means you sometimes cut off your own nose. Boundaries take a lot time to establish and can be snatched away in seconds if you allow them.

Everyonesinvited · 28/02/2023 23:03

I know how you feel. I also hate leaving my babies with people who won't tell me the truth about how they've been doing and are keen to maintain a facade about how things went.

You don't have to leave them alone to facilitate a bond. It's clear there are deep seated issues between DP and MIL which are only going to flare up if given the space.

Make the effort but make it clear they you come as a package deal and it won't be the kind of dynamic where she's playing mum. She will have daughters who will probably be more than happy to let her do this in time.

WandaWonder · 28/02/2023 23:08

If there was an actual problem I would like a call, I didn't need a call because I have issues

If I didn't trust my ILs to care for my child I wouldn't have left my child with them in the first place

They managed to raise dh and his siblings like millions of other parents

What is there to understand your baby was fine

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