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Is Nadhim Zahawi as incompetent as Sir Gavin Williamson?

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noblegiraffe · 05/04/2022 20:25

Sighs of relief were heaved as Gavin Williamson was finally shuffled out of Education (but not into deserved oblivion, instead being knighted for 'services to not publishing Boris kompromat').

The chaos of the DfE, the unclear and nonsensical guidelines, the shambles around school closures, the leaving it till the very last minute to tell schools what they should be doing, the exams disaster were blamed on his useless leadership.

So when Nadhim Zahawi was appointed, people looked forward to a more 'evidence-based' approach. He'd been seen as doing a good job as vaccines minister, so surely a safe pair of hands.

So have things got better?

No. Things have got to the point where the generally exceptionally reasonable headteachers' unions, the ASCL and NAHT have been forced to publish an open letter to Nadhim Zahawi pointing out that there's a crisis in schools and that he is doing nothing to fix it and indeed possibly making things worse. They have written previous letters to Zahawi and he has not even bothered to respond.

What are the issues? Covid chaos in schools, pupils without teachers, year groups being sent home. Nonsensical guidelines being sent to schools at the very last minute. Concerns about being able to effectively run imminent exams given huge levels of staff and pupil absence - and the horror that the govt plan to go ahead with publishing league tables with the results of these.

Basically, it sounds like exactly the same mess we had under Gav. The letter says that headteachers and school leaders are at the end of their tether and are stepping down due to lack of support.

Was it not a Gav issue, but simply Tory policy to create chaos in education and refuse to talk to school leaders about how to fix it?

The letter is worth a read:

www.ascl.org.uk/ASCL/media/ASCL/News/Press%20releases/Joint-letter-to-Secretary-of-State-Lack-of-support-for-pupils-and-staff-4-April-2022.pdf

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LittleBearPad · 05/04/2022 20:27

No one can be as shit as Gavin

If Zahawi poses with a whip I shall reconsider

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 05/04/2022 20:30

Nadhim Z, as far as I can tell, is just about invisible. Has he actually done anything since his appointment?

As for Sir Gavin, there are no words...

Thanks for posting the letter. Interesting reading (and will probably continue to be ignored).

noblegiraffe · 05/04/2022 20:46

Has he actually done anything since his appointment?

There has been a White Paper on schools published (meh - everyone will be an academy, all children must pass their exams, no extra money for this) and a Green Paper on SEND (more positively received, but only a Green Paper so probably no action on anything that costs money).

These papers have been long overdue though, so not something he has specifically come up with.

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CallmeHendricks · 05/04/2022 20:51

Oh wait, he did make an important announcement about the length of the school day.

Appuskidu · 05/04/2022 20:55

He went on the telly and said he didn’t know what a fronted adverbial was and that teachers should be left to decide what was important enough to teach.

Only they aren’t allowed to decide anything of the sort.

MrsHamlet · 05/04/2022 20:56

Impressively, yes, I think he is.

noblegiraffe · 05/04/2022 20:56

Oh yes, that was in the White Paper, Callme. Which is another stupid idea and proof that no one at the DfE ever listens to people who actually work in schools.

'Let's add a few minutes onto break and lunchtime at random schools, fucking up their carefully arranged finishing times, that will improve education'. Hmm

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Hercisback · 05/04/2022 21:01

Yes. Which is staggering.

He's the reason I might have to run a fucking club at lunchtime. Twat.

MrsHamlet · 05/04/2022 21:04

@Hercisback

Yes. Which is staggering.

He's the reason I might have to run a fucking club at lunchtime. Twat.

No no no no no. Lunchtime is not directed time.
Bagadverts · 05/04/2022 21:04

Flowers for all teachers
I know from here and generally that teachers/exam officers will do their best to hold exams. Pre Covid what happened if a candidate could sit an exam due to illness? Or they missed the whole exam period due to illness? Could the same procedure be used in the case of either individual students not sitting or whole exams not happening?

I know that would be a nightmare. Also like everything for these year groups unfair as missed so much teaching.

MrsHamlet · 05/04/2022 21:07

Pre Covid what happened if a candidate could sit an exam due to illness? Or they missed the whole exam period due to illness? Could the same procedure be used in the case of either individual students not sitting or whole exams not happening?
They got what they got. You could apply for special consideration but that is a percentage of the marks awarded.
It's been a long time since they'd ask for their place in the rank order and award a grade.

Bagadverts · 05/04/2022 21:16

@MrsHamletges I know ago there was coursework for an exam board to look at and if sam one of two or more exams for a subject can use those. No coursework so if a candidate missed all the maths exams due to illness what would they have used in 2019?

Looking in from the outside the government are just not listening at all. Just heard on the news less cases of Covid reported but very high absence. Who would have thought that stopping testing might lead to underreporting?!

PurpleDaisies · 05/04/2022 21:19

This question is essentially asking which is the bigger pile of shit-a cow pat or a pile of manure? Very hard to answer.

MrsHamlet · 05/04/2022 21:21

In 2019, they'd have got nothing.
Prior to that, when one of my students got run over on the way to my exam in about 2015, we were asked to identify where he was in the rank order. His coursework and the exam he had done was taken into account, and an overall grade awarded.
There is no back up plan any more.

Iggly · 05/04/2022 21:22

The Tories are shit generally when it comes to education and that’s that.

Their only big idea is to academise. Which bullshit.

The Tories have no desire to improve schools with what actually works. The same with the rest of the public sector.

jgw1 · 05/04/2022 21:23

I don't really understand the question. Boris is yet to try and appoint a competent minister to any department, presumably for fear that they might show him up.
Sometimes like Ben Wallace at Defence by accident they turn out to be alright.

Rachelw84 · 05/04/2022 21:27

Everything the Tories touch turns to shit

Schools, the economy, channel 4, NHS. Absolutely everything.

There is zero confidence they can turn this around, there will be a little breather over Easter but their covid stance continues to wreak havoc and ruin lives.

noblegiraffe · 05/04/2022 21:46

Exam disruption is already happening.

Copied from a post on another thread:

"One department is 3 men down leaving 1 teacher to record oracy examinations with a huge student body. Head tried to contact the exam board in question (several thousand pounds to enter these pupils) and told "do the best you can."

So, to do the best they could, the one specialist teacher (recovering from Covid and on his knees) with the help of amazing well-meaning staff from other specialties and by no means qualified in the language, got as many pupils recorded under exam conditions. Christ knows how they sound as the pupils they teach needed as much support and encouragement as possible and(dare I say it) they needed their regular teachers in with them because they knew these kids strengths abs weaknesses.

SMT couldn't get in specialist supplies - there were none to contact as they were either off ill, or working elsewhere. In fact, there were no supply agencies left to contact at all because no one had anyone to offer."

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user1471530109 · 05/04/2022 22:02

My Dept (core) had just two in today. 4 teachers off, two of who are long term. We can't get cover and certainly not specialist teachers. I've had yr11 begging for lessons in the Easter hols (tbf I would have offered anyway as the poor sods deserve it).

Nadhim is my MP. He has had many emails from me. He never replies to the education ones but always to any others so someone is reading them. He visited our school some years back (not as education sec) and didn't come across well. He's definitely had some media coaching since!

noblegiraffe · 06/04/2022 08:55

Interesting that he doesn’t reply to education emails, it seems that the headteachers’ unions are having the same issue.

There are those on here and at the Daily Mail who would insist that the ‘militant’ teaching unions have a stranglehold on the government, demanding that they close schools etc. This just shows what utter bollocks that claim is.

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balalake · 06/04/2022 09:19

Are things as bad as they would be had Gavin Williamson remained in post? I doubt it very much.

nether · 06/04/2022 09:26

I don't think he's remotely up to the job.

The successful part of the vaccines roll out was all planned before he was appointed.

The bits that were planned on his watch went disastrously wrong and for the most vulnerable people (the third primary jab)

I don't think he actually grasps issues well enough, and just hope there isn't too much lasting damage from poorly executed initiatives during his watch.

TL:DR - no-one is ever going to be as bad as GW, but thus is a close second

emuloc · 06/04/2022 09:33

The Tories are incompetent, full stop.

meditrina · 06/04/2022 09:43

It's been omnishambes of every hue fir years now.

The last PM who insisted on stringent standards was Thatcher, though Major was also administratively sound (it was the default by then)

The rise of the SPAD that followed really decoupled policy-making from any understanding of how things actually run. And the 'do it, and see if the courts object later' attitude to things like Control Orders didn't help much either.

Compare for example the depth of work that went in to the introduction of GCSEs to the later changes to them

Houseplantmad · 06/04/2022 09:52

@PurpleDaisies

This question is essentially asking which is the bigger pile of shit-a cow pat or a pile of manure? Very hard to answer.
This.

Depressingly he seems as ineffective as his predecessor. Clearly education is not valued by this government.

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