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Are we heading for a big European war of WWIII?

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SaltyLemons · 05/04/2022 18:51

I need to stay away from Twitter but lots of analysts suggesting this today and I'm feeling pretty sick

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SaltyLemons · 06/04/2022 09:42

@DazedandConcerned and I suppose so much money is now going into defence that even if he regroups and sorts it out, we'll be better prepared

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Norgie · 06/04/2022 09:47

Not unless Putin attacks a NATO country.
Which has the same chance as me turning into bugs bunny.
He's not as daft as he looks. Why do you think he's only threatened and attacked none NATO countries and threatened those who want to join, such as Finland.

DazedandConcerned · 06/04/2022 09:48

@SaltyLemons google Russian army ineptitude and look at how the command structure is drilled into the soldiers. They are not taught independent thinking so when their commander is killed they fall to bits.

They were also given dodgy equipment and food rations 7 years’ out of date. It’s a clusterfuck and Putin has shown the West that he can’t fight a war effectively.

Additionally, he has been banging on about testing his new “weapons” the past few years. But where are they? We have seen conventional tank and air warfare. No game changing weapons. If he had them he’d have deployed them to show the world in Ukraine.

Age of the tank is over Putin. Time to get with the program.

Phormiumjester2 · 06/04/2022 09:50

My gut feeling is no, it won't escalate because there isn't enough for anyone to gain from it. And I don't think Putin will risk looking silly by failing again.
And hopefully someone will have him in a straight jacket by then!
China have too much to lose financially and their foray into Africa isn't strong enough yet to make up for what they'd lose in European trade so they're unlikely to back a failed Putin now.
The middle east largely think he's either a plonker or a war criminal same as we do now so I don't think he has enough allies to achieve anything unless we all nuke each other. Which is very unlikely too.

Try not to worry. You can't affect it. Think about something positive.

baroqueandblue · 06/04/2022 11:05

OP the internet is not necessarily much of a friend to you at the moment, if reading and watching stuff is getting to you. It's your choice whether or not you keep exposing yourself to sites like twitter, where quite frankly there is some hysteria generated by various academics and ex-military and ex-government talking heads who see this as their 'hour on the stage' and want to be 'right' - even when being right in their doomy forecasts would mean terrifying widespread nuclear war Hmm Some people who spout off on social media wouldn't be out of place in a death cult, although many of them don't realise that's how they come across. You've got people daily proclaiming how they can't stand by a moment longer and watch the slaughter and their/our government should. fucking. get. in. there. But are any of them upping sticks to fight the good fight, whether it be volunteering on the front lines or parking themselves indefinitely outside a parliament building until. something. is. fucking. done? In the vast majority of cases, nope. Those people just like to see themselves typing stuff recommending what others should do to stop any more of the bloodshed happening, while knowing it won't stop just because they say it, but it sounds heroic to say it. Stuff like that. So easy to be a keyboard warrior. And that's part of what you're reading and reacting to at the moment. A lot of bullshit, quite honestly.

Just on one MN thread I've seen people 'significantly' second guessing why flight tracking software was showing various Russian private jets flying to far flung places, or changing course midway to China and heading back to Russia. This was a couple of weeks ago. At that point, some people were reading that discussion and concluding that it probably had something to do with nuclear war and the 'red button'. Two weeks later, we're all still here.

I've read the gamut of armchair commentary, from "Putin is about to nuke us, imminently!" to "it's very possible Russia's nuclear capacity is now very diminished compared to Cold War days and they're just bluffing". I mean, which is it? Oh, that's right, you don't actually know Confused

We're also seeing lots of people posting things like "Putin has only just started, his agenda is to completely dominate Ukraine and then go for here and here and here and here..." How the fuck does anyone actually know what his intention is? Especially now that there's plenty of evidence to indicate that his Ukraine invasion isn't as successful as he had hoped.

I'm at the point where I acknowledge the tragedy and horror of what Russia is doing to the people of Ukraine day in day out. Beyond that, it's mostly speculation, in many cases dressed up as "I know". In many cases, they don't fucking know, but it won't stop them saying they do Hmm

We need to be discerning and notice what's happening with 'commentary', sorting what seems reliably researched and supported by facts from what is hot air and opinion. "If you can keep your head when all about you, others are losing theirs" or something...

MrsSkylerWhite · 06/04/2022 11:08

Unlikely. Putin and his generals will face a war crimes trial, though, at some point.

SaltyLemons · 06/04/2022 11:09

Thanks @baroqueandblue that's a very sensible post

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veevee04 · 06/04/2022 11:15

No the Russian military are shit they have proven ineffective against Ukraine who they should have been able to occupy and overthrow the government within a week or two. They have embarrassed themselves they won't be invading any other countries.

coffeeisthebest · 06/04/2022 11:41

@SaltyLemons

Thanks *@Thedogissnoringagain* - I fully agree. It's not true that what is happening isn't effecting us or that it won't or that, either way, we should shut our eyes to it. Because it's bloody awful, the world isn't the place it was before. Humanity isn't what I thought it was before. And a selfish part of me is frightened for the future of my children and what that future might look like
Yes it is hideous and awful, but the world IS the place it was before. We have had war before this one, we have raped women and murdered each other before this. Perhaps it has opened your eyes, which is great, but please don't rose tint the past.
Phormiumjester2 · 06/04/2022 11:47

Also, Covid has reinforced to us that anyone can pretend to be knowledgeable about anything on twitter. It's just a stranger on the Internet. Try not to pay it too much heed.

MarshaBradyo · 06/04/2022 11:49

No

You’ll feel it through cost of living rising instead

I’m not sure what you are reading on Twitter but have a break if you are getting too anxious

Alexandra2001 · 06/04/2022 11:49

Yes it is hideous and awful, but the world IS the place it was before. We have had war before this one, we have raped women and murdered each other before this. Perhaps it has opened your eyes, which is great, but please don't rose tint the past

Not in proximity or scale for over 75 years we haven't, very very few people are still alive who experienced what Russia last did when it was at war in Europe.

When this is finally over, we could be looking at 100s of '000s of people murdered & we knew it was happening and did nothing to stop it, the UK wont even take in refugees in any numbers.

Alexandra2001 · 06/04/2022 11:51

@MarshaBradyo

No

You’ll feel it through cost of living rising instead

I’m not sure what you are reading on Twitter but have a break if you are getting too anxious

Inflation was raging before Ukraine and the LDs in china are likely to have an even bigger effect on inflation and supply chains, add in price labour and supply problems because of Brexit and we are in a perfect storm.
Kurtanforpm · 06/04/2022 12:18

No.

And even if it happened, what are you going to do about it? You can’t do anything so don’t worry endlessly about things.

L0stinCyberspace · 30/04/2022 11:03

After seeing today's headlines in the Daily Fail, I feel physically sick. 202 seconds to nuclear wipe out. The smug discussion, the sickening simulation, the laughable red areas of nuclear destruction of the UK - as if the Republic of Ireland can be somehow ok if the UK is targeted! WTAF is happening? WTF? Our world is in serious, serious danger.

Swayingpalmtrees · 30/04/2022 11:43

I am going to say that yes - there is some truth behind this. No matter how unpalatable this is going to feel for most of us. A few months ago, I would say there was very little chance, but things have changed dramatically in the last few weeks.

Putin is losing this war, and he is losing very badly. He has his hands tied because he has not been honest with the Russian people. That is about to change according to security sources. We could see a major escalation in this war - indeed 8000 of our troops have just been posted out there. NATO are preparing for a major escalation, and not without good reason.

Ukraine and NATO can not back down, Putin will invade other countries and the war and its casualties will dramatically increase if they do - and war will spread all over Europe. The options are narrowing.

No one now really believes Putin can be paid off with a slice of Ukraine, he will back for the rest next year and then move to Moldova and all the rest. I am afraid I actually think a day of reckoning is fast approaching, whether that involves Nato or not no one really knows. Putin believe this war is being fought by proxy, so it would not surprise me. The west are now providing everything to Ukraine, as they should, and this has not gone unnoticed by the Kremlin. Things are going to get much worse, before they get better. Sorry op.

Swayingpalmtrees · 30/04/2022 11:48

I don't think the Russian army will be any match for Nato obviously, but therein lies the problem. He knows he can't win in Ukraine, he knows he can't win against Nato. He is a cornered rat. Lets hope someone on the inside has the sense to deescalate.

FM from Russia is talking about removing sanctions as part of the 'peace deal' The question is even if a deal if brokered can we trust Putin to honour it?
Would anyone trust that man again after what he has done?

L0stinCyberspace · 30/04/2022 12:43

What do cornered rats do?

newnamethanks · 30/04/2022 12:47

Well, I'm hoping for a successful assassination from inside the Kremlin, assuming Russians want to stick around as much as we do. It's not solely in Putin's hands. Stop following this on the net OP, you'll drive yourself nuts to no avail.

SpringRainbow · 30/04/2022 12:49

I don’t think there will be WW3.

I don’t know that there won’t be.

Personally, I just don’t have the headspace to worry about something I think is unlikely to happen at this moment in time.

PaperTyger · 30/04/2022 13:10

Totally agree Greensleeves.

I swing.... worried then not worried.
Following the Ukraine threads can help because they are so detailed.
Better than headlines

PaperTyger · 30/04/2022 14:28

Swaying.

Let's say he gets the dombas ,he's done.
But you say he won't stop there he Will come back for more..so what's to then stop "un peacekeepers or a new alliance of peacekeepers to go into Ukraine to hold that line?

Mass people around Nuclear site's etch.
So basically he can't

TinnitusTina · 30/04/2022 14:40

I love threads like this, they cheer me up. I have so much shit going on in my life not major stuff just friggin annoying medium-level crap I am dealing with, so reading about imminent nuclear war helps me gain perspective. Non of my crappy, annoying niggles will matter much in a nuclear winter. There is that.

Waxonwaxoff0 · 30/04/2022 14:43

L0stinCyberspace · 30/04/2022 11:03

After seeing today's headlines in the Daily Fail, I feel physically sick. 202 seconds to nuclear wipe out. The smug discussion, the sickening simulation, the laughable red areas of nuclear destruction of the UK - as if the Republic of Ireland can be somehow ok if the UK is targeted! WTAF is happening? WTF? Our world is in serious, serious danger.

YABU to take the Daily fail seriously.

100problems · 30/04/2022 16:48

I thought "Just needs one little slip of the scalpel in this upcoming cancer surgery.", then realised a potentially even bigger nutter is primed to take over.

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