What are Boris & Liz Truss doing 😩

[Feelingthepinch22]

Worried they are drawing Russia on top of us. Of course we can't stand back, we need action but other countries are getting their point accross in a much more diplomatic way... Think Boris is using the war to impersonate Churchill & the Russians aren't liking it...

@Zonder

I've just found the 6 point plan. He's a bit late to the party - all 6 points are already happening.

"In his six-point plan to maintain pressure on Mr Putin, the prime minister said:
-World leaders should mobilise an "international humanitarian coalition" for Ukraine
-They should also support Ukraine "in its efforts to provide for its own self-defence"
-Economic pressure on Russia should be ratcheted up
-The international community must resist Russia's "creeping normalisation" of its actions in Ukraine
-Diplomatic resolutions to the war must be pursued, but only with the full participation of Ukraine's legitimate government
-There should be a "rapid campaign to strengthen security and resilience" among Nato countries"

I don't see what's wrong with it.

1. Yes they should, this is a humanitarian disaster and a coordinated effort is deperately needed. It's a bit piecemeal at the moment.
2. Yes. More weapons needed and not rusty old crap that some countries seem all to happy to send
3. Of course it should and still is. Not a good time to lose impetus.
4. The creeping normalisation is all around us, even on this thread as the cowards shriek "Don't poke the bear!" Give over, that bear already has a swarm of bees on his head. He will only notice poking when it suits him.
5. Goes almost without saying. Maybe BoJo fears that everybody will suddenly start implementing the 'peace at any price, throw Ukraine to the wolves' scenario. I would not be surprised.
6. A no brainer imo. We've all been tiptoeing around Putin for far too long. I do not think that shifting the odd thousand or so soldiers around the edges of neighbouring states is quite what he's talking about.

@Zonder

I've just found the 6 point plan. He's a bit late to the party - all 6 points are already happening.

"In his six-point plan to maintain pressure on Mr Putin, the prime minister said:
-World leaders should mobilise an "international humanitarian coalition" for Ukraine
-They should also support Ukraine "in its efforts to provide for its own self-defence"
-Economic pressure on Russia should be ratcheted up
-The international community must resist Russia's "creeping normalisation" of its actions in Ukraine
-Diplomatic resolutions to the war must be pursued, but only with the full participation of Ukraine's legitimate government
-There should be a "rapid campaign to strengthen security and resilience" among Nato countries"

That's exactly my point! I am totally for all the sanctions, standing up for Ukraine by allying with Europe but not trying to be the leader of the battle 😩 He's not standing up to Putin, he's antagonising him there's a big difference.. Also his 6 point plan is just a summary of what's been implemented not a new strategy like he's blustering about🙄😩

standing up for Ukraine by allying with Europe but not trying to be the leader of the battle

Is that the reality though or the Daily Mail spin?

because as you say it's nothing new.

I'm also not sure how doing something is less poking the bear than talking about the actions you have already done.

Unfortunately we don't have a proper " statesman" like Anthony blinken.

That's what we need, someone whose had very broad and deep experience in this arena And the education and background to match.

We severely lack such a statesman.

The 6 point plan seems to be not so much a plan but rather a description of what everyone is already doing. So no brownie points for Boris there.

I honestly don't know what the best approach is at this point. Whether outright condemnation will exacerbate the tensions and lead us into war or whether a more "diplomatic" approach would equate to appeasement and just encourage Putin to go further. I won't pretend to know enough to have a view on this and I'm glad that I'm not making the decisions. What I do know is that I want the UK government to do much more for the Ukrainian refugees, and quickly.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs of BJ's stance, it's very clear that he is enjoying playing the statesman and I'm sure that he is glad for the distractions from partygate. I how that the ongoing situation in Ukraine doesn't allow him to bury the outcome of the met investigation when it finally comes.

@Ifailed

to answer the title, having an affair?

46 year old Liz VS Boris's super semen

He's not standing up to Putin, he's antagonising him there's a big difference.

Putin is antagonised by not getting his own way. He will use whatever we do as an excuse to escalate if he wants to. If he chooses to escalate and he can't find a anything we've actually done as a plausible justification he will invent one, either by outright lies or a false flag.

We've watched Russian troops gathering on Ukraine's border both in Russia and Belarus for months. We knew what they were doing which is why we've been supplying weapons and training to the Ukraine military. Perhaps if we'd been less afraid of poking the bear and allowed Ukraine to join NATO we wouldn't even be having this discussion but we'll never know.

Senator Lindsay Graham has tweeted this morning that the world would be better off if we had regime change in Russia, I'd say that's far more inflammatory than anything said by Johnson or Truss although I'm not a huge fan of either.

Putin is singling us out in Europe to sow division, we should not believe his propaganda, Europe has pulled together to help Ukraine and we should be pleased we've been able to put differences aside to address a more pressing priority.

I think Johnson is probably cracking open the champagne and thanking Putin for saving his premiership.

I 100% agree that whatever ukrainians want to come here should be given the easiest route possible... England & Ireland may be attractive to them as they can understand/speak some as opposed to say Spain or Portugal... These people have lost everything, we can help them & at the same time continue to put the pressure on Putin...

He's not standing up to Putin, he's antagonising him there's a big difference.

The only point is Putin considers any criticism of his warmongering as antagonistic whilst glossing over what he's doing.

@Andouillette there's absolutely nothing wrong with it of course. It's just that he hasn't come up with this plan and to suggest he is calling world leaders to follow it is crazy. They are ahead of him in the game.

The UK is and always will be at the front of these issues though. We are the second largest contributor to NATO, we have one of the largest well equipped armies in the world. We are a nuclear nation.

I know it is not a popular narrative on MN, but we are a world leader in terms of wealth, GDP, military support and humanitarian aid. We have had army personnel in Eastern Europe for decades, and recently have been increasing those personnel. We are a target whatever anyone says, or doesn't say.

We, the people, are also one of the most generous, 55m was raised within 5 hours of the DEC appeal.

Boris is a well educated idiot. He has surrounded himself with other well educated idiots to ensure there is no-one that could take him on in a leadership battle. You can bet your life he’s hoping that this war will do the same for him that the Falklands did for Thatcher.

Boris is trying to position himself as a global leader, rather than the twat that took his country out of the EU, which is now leading this impressively and with unity.

Boris is a diplomatic buffoon - just ask the family of Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe. He is just trying to distance himself from the partying scandal and it seems to be working. Just look at all the posters on here who say we need to forget about partygate and move on now there's a war on. Of course the war is higher priority but that shouldn't mean we can just forget all the crap Boris and his cronies have pulled.

I'm not surprised how many posters don't agree with poking the bear. So many women put up with abusive husbands and partners in much the same way - by lying low.

I hope they are doing nothing because they are a pair of incompetent idiots.

I wonder who could do the job for them?

@TerraNovaTwo

I'm not surprised how many posters don't agree with poking the bear. So many women put up with abusive husbands and partners in much the same way - by lying low.

Sometimes a violent aggressor is just that whether you stay silent or not. There’s a fair bit of we shouldn’t do this etc but the onus is all on Putin.

They both think this is their Falklands moment, God help us. And Johnson is just desperate for anything that takes attention off the police investigation and the Williamson knighthood.

@Feelingthepinch22

I 100% agree that whatever ukrainians want to come here should be given the easiest route possible... England & Ireland may be attractive to them as they can understand/speak some as opposed to say Spain or Portugal... These people have lost everything, we can help them & at the same time continue to put the pressure on Putin...

Enlighten us all with how you would do this, especially the put pressure on Putin bit without saying anything Putin may take offence to.

www.chathamhouse.org/2022/02/ukraine-response-reveals-europes-security-changing

Worth reading this as an independent analysis of UK role. Written early in Feb, it sets out the different responses and challenges for and from the UK and EU.