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End of covid restrictions- care homes?

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Susu49 · 24/02/2022 15:32

Now that it's freedom day, does anyone know how this affects care homes?

I thought it would apply to them but my grandpa's care home is still adhering to them with no end in site Sad

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Maverickess · 25/02/2022 15:16

@Susu49

I'm not surprised, though dismayed that money is seemingly the root cause of the issue.

I too really don't understand the phone calls, I just can't see why it would be an infection control issue here, we wipe the phone when anyone has used it and I don't understand why window visits aren't allowed either, done correctly they don't pose a risk, mask for the visitor, residents 2m away from the window, window by default open for ventilation.
The only reason I can see is that the resident is in danger of trying to climb out of an opened window (and it happens, even those that have safety catches etc to stop them opening wide, people still try and that puts them at risk of hurting themselves) and there aren't enough staff to facilitate someone being present throughout the visit to ensure safety. But if that's the case then it should be clearly communicated.
Or that the person's condition means a window visit is pointless, because they will wander away/not have the cognitive skill to engage unless someone is very close or touching them and the same may apply to a phone call.
It doesn't sound like that applies to your grandad though.

I do think you need to raise these concerns with the management and if you get no joy then your grandads social worker or even the CQC. At the least they can point you towards someone who can answer your questions.

The problem is they are still behaving as if covid represents the same risk as it did 2 years ago. I’m absolutely certain many residents and their families would prefer contact and the small risk of covid ( with negative LFT ) to being kept in a luxury prison. FIL craves human touch and the sight of real faces rather than masks. To go out for lunch.

The thing is that it does present a higher risk in the age group and with the co-morbidities that we see in that group regularly, than the general population. We have known that right from the start. Not as severe as when it all started but still a higher risk.

The issue is also that while many people may choose to take the risk (and I totally understand that) there are other people within that group setting who don't and who's family don't. The home has to then try and balance competing rights of both parties for a solution. They have an equal duty of care to everyone.

Another factor is not a popular one, but that homes are being extra careful after the battering they've gotten in the last 2 years. If you think about it logically, there's no way that any communicable illness can be kept out of a care home where people from the wider community are going in and out on a regular basis, but when it happens there's always a queue of people wanting someone to blame, the staff, the visitors, the management. Some places saw this kind of thing more than others and they are being very extra careful to avoid any blame when the inevitable happens and covid gets in.
I'm not saying it's right, but it could be a reason why some homes are reluctant to ease things.

ilovebagpuss · 25/02/2022 18:17

@Susu49 our care homes have stretched care giver role to just be for emotional mental wellbeing not giving care etc, as we are well aware the continuing regulations are getting too much but we are bound to them by government and public health guidance.
We have made sure everyone can have this nominated visitor even in outbreak shut down so that they always have contact.
They really need to relax the rules now as everyone is jabbed to the hilt and the time they have left needs to be lived that's my opinion anyway. It's hard because you might have some families happy to open up totally and some who don't want to so it has to.come from the government not be left down to the homes to.choose.

shinynewapple22 · 26/02/2022 17:36

@ilovebagpuss

Here we are: every care home resident should be supported to have an identified essential care giver who may visit the home to offer companionship or help with care needs – essential care givers should be able to visit inside the care home even during periods of isolation and outbreak, providing the essential care giver does not have COVID-19

This is really interesting. I have a friend who has informed me she is an essential care giver for her mum and has been allowed to visit, but when I asked about this role at my mum's home I was told that this meant professionals .

Anyway, have managed a visit today so good news .

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Samcro · 26/02/2022 17:57

Seeing the post talking about time left to live, makes me want to remind people that not all people living in care homes are old.
Mine is mid 20s

Susu49 · 28/02/2022 18:59

Just wanted to say thanks for all your replies. One of us is hoping to have a chat with the manager in the next week, bit hit and miss getting hold of them though.

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