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Would it be wrong to take DD for COVID vaccine without telling her DF?

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Custardtartandcoffee · 11/02/2022 11:02

Because she has asked me not to tell him. DD is 10 and has been invited as she has asthma and is on strong steroid preventative inhalers.

I was pleased when I saw the letter as I think she is at risk if she has an asthma flare up and this could be caused by a virus like flu or COVID (she already has flu vaccines, which her dad hasn’t questioned).

She has never been admitted to hospital but we have had to go to out of hours for nebulisers before and she has often had chest infections and needed antibiotics and steroids during the winter months.

Their dad however, has already told the DC that vaccines are dangerous for children and can affect future fertility. I am not in a relationship with him, we divorced years ago.

He is a vegan who believes that plant based diets cure most things and sugar is the cause of everything bad. He is quite dismissive of conventional medicine.

On the subject of COVID and vaccines, he previously told me I should listen to “top scientists” on podcasts like Joe Rogan, so I can learn the truth about vaccines and COVID, as he says he has researched the risks properly by listening to these people. We don’t get on very well and are very different people.

When I told DD she had a letter inviting her for the vaccine she asked what I thought and I said I think it is a good idea. She said she is happy to have it but “don’t tell dad as he will go on and on about it”.

She did ask if the fertility part was true, so we sat together and looked for evidence about this on the internet and found information about where the myth came from (and talked about how to find different sources of information and how to decide if it is a reliable source).

I don’t want her to feel as if she has to keep secrets though. But she is right, he will go on and on, and then it will cause stress to her younger DC, who already suffers from anxiety, as she will worry about her sister.

Added to this, DD has mentioned that none of the children in her class are having the vaccine when offered, as their parents don’t think it’s safe (they have discussed it in school). She said to me “You’re the only one who doesn’t have think that it is safe, but I trust you because you are my mum”. She really doesn’t seem very bothered by any of it.

Still though, that caused even me to start feeling alarmed and to think “What if I have got this wrong?, what if there IS a risk?”

Asthma attacks aren’t a laughing matter though. I’m already the one who has had to push and push her dad to make sure she has her preventive inhalers when she stays with him as he never used to enforce this and would say “I didn’t give it to her as she didn’t need it”… even after I explained time after time that it is preventative.

I need to phone now to book her apt, but am now wobbling despite the fact that I previously had no concerns at all, and DD is quite happy to go ahead..

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Custardtartandcoffee · 11/02/2022 11:03

*who doesn’t think that it isn’t safe (don’t know where those typos came from !)

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Comefromaway · 11/02/2022 11:04

Assuming you think that she is competent to make her own decision then yes, I think you need to respect her wishes not to tell him.

I guess legally, if he has parental responsibility he could apply to court to prevent her from being vaccinated but even so, I doubt he would get very far.

BlackeyedSusan · 11/02/2022 11:07

Get the vaccination. Don't tell dad. They are going to remove what little protection there is so there will be more likelihood of being in contact with a positive case. Which has implications for clinically vulnerable kids.

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IncyWincyGrownUp · 11/02/2022 11:07

I wouldn’t hesitate.

DirectionToPerfection · 11/02/2022 11:07

Your DD has a good head on her shoulders. Absolutely get her vaccinated and say nothing to her dad. He's an idiot and it's great that she can see through his shit.

Comefromaway · 11/02/2022 11:07

If those with Parental Responsibility cannot agree on a decision in the child’s life, such as receiving a vaccination, then either party can apply to the Court for an Order which makes a decision on the issue. As with any issue in respect of children which appears before the Court, the welfare of the children is of primary concern. The Court must act in the child’s best interest by reference to the “Welfare Checklist” as set out in Section 1 of the Children Act 1989.

The matter was considered by the Courts as recently as last year, in the case of M v H (Private Law Vaccination) [2020] EWFC 93 which considered an application by a father for two children, aged 6 and 4, to have their routine childhood vaccines on the NHS vaccination schedule. The mother was opposed to the children being vaccinated.

The Judge at the hearing made clear the Courts approach to the issue. The Court considers that scientific evidence has established that it is generally in the best interests of healthy children to be vaccinated unless there was a credible development in medical science or new peer-reviewed research that indicated significant concern about the efficacy or safety of a vaccine. Alternatively, well-evidenced medical advice to the contrary that was specific to the child in question could be reason for the Court to decline.

In this case, the Court did not make a decision about the Covid-19 vaccine however it was stated that this was not due to any concerns regarding the vaccine but rather due to the vaccine being in very early stages. The Judge stated that provided the vaccine was approved for use in children, it is likely the Court would consider such vaccination in the best interests of the child.

This is consistent with previous cases concerning the vaccination of children and in a previous case it was discussed that, so far, there is no knowledge of a case in which an application for vaccination of a child has been refused.

AgathaX · 11/02/2022 11:08

Given the situation with her dad's beliefs, I think you would be perfectly reasonable to take her and not tell him. Added to which it sounds like she wants the vaccine, she sounds like a sensible girl, she's done research on it with you, so really it's her decision as much as anyones.

GeneLovesJezebel · 11/02/2022 11:08

Yes, have her vaccinated.
If it went to court, vaccination would be allowed as it’s advised for her.

Comefromaway · 11/02/2022 11:09

If parents cannot agree on an important issue in relation to the child’s welfare or upbringing they can apply to the court for a specific issue order under section 8 of the Children Act 1989.
When the court makes any order for a child, the child’s welfare is the court’s paramount consideration. The court has particular regard to the factors at section s1 (3) of the Children Act 1989, the welfare checklist, namely:

The wishes of the child taking into account age and understanding;
Physical, emotional and educational needs;
The likely effect of any change in circumstances;
Age, sex and background;
Any harm which the child has suffered or is at risk of suffering; and
The range of powers available to the court.

BoofTheFloof · 11/02/2022 11:09

It sounds like you've done everything right especially considering her very valid health concerns. You're a much better person than I am as I wouldn't be able to help myself from arguing with him. Such a shame your daughter will have to lie or hide it from her dad.

Mark Twain said something like "Never argue with stupid people. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience". It's not worth telling him.

GeneLovesJezebel · 11/02/2022 11:10

She will be offered the HPV in year 8, what will he say about that ?

Easterbunnyiswindowshopping · 11/02/2022 11:11

Just get her jabs. Keep shtum. Irl will your dd be telling her df every medical /personal issue? Doubt it. Letting her have some say in choices that affect her is a great thing imo.

PhantomErik · 11/02/2022 11:11

My DS9 has asthma and if invited will be having the vaccination.

DD13 has had the vaccinations as have most of her friends.

A couple of my friends are saying no to vaccinations for their children, we just agree to disagree.

Not sure about telling her Dad to be honest. As a parent I'd want to know but understand that it would add stress for them if he was to go about it. Sorry not very helpful.

AwkwardPaws27 · 11/02/2022 11:11

DH has asthma and was vaccinated early as a priority group (he's had to have additional steroid tablets in the past when he's had a chest infection and flu, so GP put him forward for it early). It was a real concern as although he manages well day to day with a preventative inhaler, we've seen how quickly that can change when he's had other respiratory issues.

Your DD sounds like a lovely kid and its great you've had those discussions.
Personally in your shoes I'd want to get her the vaccine.

It sounds like you've had a good discussion and although as parent you'd be consenting on her behalf, she has been involved in that decision making, so I don't think her dad's "vote" should overrule you both.

girlmom21 · 11/02/2022 11:12

Take her to have it and do as she's asked. She's old enough to understand so she's old enough to make that decision.

He can't take you to court once she's had it and a judge would rule it in her best interests if it's been recommended by medical professionals regardless.

CornishGem1975 · 11/02/2022 11:13

I didn't even think to discuss it with my ex to be honest.

Trisolaris · 11/02/2022 11:19

The other parents at the school do not have a child with the same risk profile as your daughter and therefore will be making decisions based on what they think is currently in the best interests of their child.

Your child is at much higher risk of becoming seriously ill from covid. Get her protected both with the vaccine and by not telling her dad.

Custardtartandcoffee · 11/02/2022 11:20

Thank you all. I am booking her in.Smile

Strangely enough, her dad has had the vaccine himself. I frequently fail to understand his logic though!

I don’t think he will get involved in anything else, he has never been interested in any medical issues or apts for them, and as @CornishGem1975 said, it wouldn’t actually have occurred to me to discuss this with him, it’s just because it turned out he’d already told the DC they shouldn’t have it when offered (without any conversation with me)

I don’t know why I doubted myself really, it’s just hard when children do have so much trust as it feels like a lot of responsibility to absolutely get it right for them - so when others disagree it causes me a little bit of anxiety.

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lunar1 · 11/02/2022 11:21

She wants it so i would just take her.

I hope they call for my asthmatic 10 year old too. I'd feel much better if he has it before secondary school.

He has had covid and actually wasn't as bad as his older brother who had one previous vaccine. Apparently being on a regular steroid inhaler can help.

Dragongirl10 · 11/02/2022 11:23

I would not hesitate, yes l would do all the research l could, (from reliable sources, )but ultimately l would jump at the chance to vaccinate a 10 year old with asthma.

I would not tell her dad it is a private matter.

Comefromaway · 11/02/2022 11:25

@Trisolaris

The other parents at the school do not have a child with the same risk profile as your daughter and therefore will be making decisions based on what they think is currently in the best interests of their child.

Your child is at much higher risk of becoming seriously ill from covid. Get her protected both with the vaccine and by not telling her dad.

Exactly this. If I had a perfectly healthy 10 year old then I too would probably think twice about whether to give them the vaccine or not.

But your dd has additional risk factors.

BitcherOfBlakiven · 11/02/2022 11:25

Only one parent needs to consent.

My ex is like yours, he’s a brainwashed cockwomble who can believe whatever woo fuckery he wants but I will not and do not allow his bullshit to effect my DCs and their health.

CocoCookieCream · 11/02/2022 11:27

DF sounds like a plan of wood

Give her the vaccine.

StiggyZardust · 11/02/2022 11:33

It's never too early to start teaching a child about body autonomy and consent. Glad you're booking her appointment.

Nonnymum · 11/02/2022 12:38

I would do what is best for your daughter. Let her have the vaccine and if she doesn't want him to know don't tell him. This is about her not him.

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