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Can you ever make a selfish partner less selfish?

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JoeyV88 · 05/02/2022 17:28

Hello lovely MNetters,

My DH has always thought about himself first - decisions are always based around how he feels, what he wants and how things will affect him. I guess I just grew so used to it over the years it’s just become the house dynamic but lately it’s started to really grate and I find myself resenting him for it. If we get a bad night’s sleep because of the children he will moan how it’s impacting his life and his ability to work, he complains that he doesn’t have enough time to enjoy bars and restaurants and nights out every week because of the children, he says he wants to spend more time playing sports or going to the gym. He never thinks to ask me what I want or how I feel. Everything is ALWAYS about him. Even when pregnant, he never bothered to ask how my appointments etc went even if he knew I was nervous as he was “too busy” with other things. If I questioned it he would always have an excuse such as “i wasn’t feeling great so I couldn’t think about anything else.” I found a lump in my breast and had to go to the breast clinic with our baby in tow as he didn’t want to book time off work to help and then didn’t even bother to ask me how it went. In fact he called me while I was there asking me a question and had totally forgotten I even had the check up! I feel like I have to be the upbeat, always cheery, “everything is ok” person as there’s no room for me to complain or yearn for different things. I feel angry that he’s so blinkered by what he wants (he often compares his life to friends with more money / more freedom / still enjoying the single life and holidaying all the time) that he doesn’t see how lucky he is to have our lovely children. Can someone like that ever really change? Is it possible to become less selfish or is that him for life? I feel so tired and worn down by it Sad

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D0lphine · 05/02/2022 18:57

Why don't you go and see a solicitor next week and make a plan to leave?

He isn't going to change.

Alonelonelylonersbadidea · 05/02/2022 19:57

@ChoiceMummy how old is he out of interest?
Because if you want to help him go further in life you'll need to teach him some lifeskills! Go for it!

Also I worked in schools with autistic children for years. One of the goals on leaving was for them to manage relationships.

ChoiceMummy · 05/02/2022 20:31

[quote Alonelonelylonersbadidea]@ChoiceMummy how old is he out of interest?
Because if you want to help him go further in life you'll need to teach him some lifeskills! Go for it!

Also I worked in schools with autistic children for years. One of the goals on leaving was for them to manage relationships. [/quote]
Gosh, working in education I have been sat on my laurels all this time, the idea never crossed my mind!

Omg, sometimes....

Spookytooth · 06/02/2022 05:48

I would try to pay into a escape fund, also ensure all contributions towards your pensions are being kept up. You will have a good few decades after the DCs are off your hands when you can leave.

JoeyV88 · 06/02/2022 09:34

@Spookytooth I’m trying to do that Smile I definitely can’t picture a life like this for another 40/50 years.

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Stompythedinosaur · 06/02/2022 09:57

Men who love their partner and children don't act like this.

I don't think you can change him.

CoilWatershed · 06/02/2022 10:02

I'm really sick of people who assume that selfish that = autistic. It's ableist twattery.

JoeyV88 · 06/02/2022 10:06

@Stompythedinosaur when I’ve asked him before what he wants / why he stays if he feels life is greener elsewhere he says he loves me (he’s not one for sweeping declarations of love!) but I do question it. I’m not sure there’s room in his head / heart for anyone other than himself Grin I think he loves the children but he also feels like he’s not fulfilling his “potential” while he’s at home looking after a family. He’s convinced his life has to have some more meaning, that he has to somehow make his mark. The reality is if the children and I left he would just sit watching tv - I very much doubt he would be off travelling the world!

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GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 06/02/2022 10:27

I had one like yours, selfish to the core. What you say here is exactly what happened

@Spookytooth he would fight tooth and nail to keep me out of our marital home. He would hate the idea of me and the children being somewhere he put money towards without him. He would also want shared custody more so so that he wouldn’t have to pay maintenance to me. It would pain him to have to give me a penny!

The courts are your friend here but you have to wait for a long time!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 06/02/2022 10:28

I thought mine would just sit watching tv but his first priority was getting out and meeting a new partner.

GiantSpider · 06/02/2022 10:46

Start thinking about yourself OP. What do YOU want and how best to achieve it? This may involve going back to work full time and starting to plan your exit.

JoeyV88 · 06/02/2022 11:01

@GiantSpider the children are still young so very dependent on me. If I were to go full time my husband wouldn’t offer to help with childcare arrangements / fees and once you take out nursery costs I’m not sure I’d have much left for my escape fund! He would say it’s my choice and I will have to pay it. We don’t share finances (his choice) so I couldn’t raid the bank either as much as I might like to! Smile

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JoeyV88 · 06/02/2022 11:03

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing well good luck to her! I’m not sure my husband would find it easy to find a new partner, he's very set in his ways. He’s always said he wouldn’t date a woman with children yet I’m not sure younger childless women would want him Grin

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lovenotwar149 · 06/02/2022 11:08

Narcissism...read upon it!!

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 06/02/2022 11:09

@JoeyV88 Yes you think that but look at Carrie Symonds!

Ok my exh isn’t the PM but despite being a selfish got I suppose he has a good job, the big house he contrived to keep etc

Anyway, yes good luck to her, but I’m just saying don’t bank on the fact they’ll just sit on the sofa!

timeisnotaline · 06/02/2022 11:13

If I were to go full time my husband wouldn’t offer to help with childcare arrangements / fees and once you take out nursery costs I’m not sure I’d have much left for my escape fund! He would say it’s my choice and I will have to pay it. We don’t share finances (his choice) so I couldn’t raid the bank either as much as I might like to!
So separate finances but you have to pay for the dc?? Bloody hell op, I’d be putting my heart and soul into leaving plans.

JoeyV88 · 06/02/2022 11:15

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing true!!! But my husband says he would only ever date 20 year olds who in his mind wouldn’t be interested in settling down / having children etc. He thinks anyone over 25 becomes “risky” as they might want a serious relationship (his words not mine!) I’m just not sure his slightly jowly, balding, mid-40s self would be particularly appealing to his target audience Grin But like you said you never know!

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JoeyV88 · 06/02/2022 11:18

@timeisnotaline we split big costs like nursery fees equally currently but he has said he would be unwilling to pay any more. I pay for all other activities such as sports clubs, days out, clothes, toys. If I didn’t, they would get the bare minimum as DH hates spending money.

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JoeyV88 · 06/02/2022 11:19

Thank you everyone for your answers. It’s nice to hear I’m not alone in thinking his behaviour is not on x

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SomethingNastyInTheBallPool · 06/02/2022 11:40

He sounds horrible, and worse with every post,
OP. I couldn’t be with someone like that.

EezyOozy · 06/02/2022 11:45

Op, the more I read the more horrific biscuits, you are being financially abused

EezyOozy · 06/02/2022 11:45

The more horrific it gets!!

Doyoumind · 06/02/2022 11:48

Some people are just incapable of thinking beyond themselves. Why would he change anyway? What would be the benefit to him if he's quite happy how things are. Just leave and at least get a chance at leading the life you want.

MrsWinters · 06/02/2022 11:56

It doesn’t matter what he wants to pay. It matters what a solicitor or court thinks and agrees to. Don’t allow his to make you sacrifice years of your life because he’s holding finances over you.
Speak with a solicitor on Monday to understand your options. Even if you just know that you can leave it might make him buck his ideas up

FlowerArranger · 06/02/2022 14:20

[quote JoeyV88]@timeisnotaline we split big costs like nursery fees equally currently but he has said he would be unwilling to pay any more. I pay for all other activities such as sports clubs, days out, clothes, toys. If I didn’t, they would get the bare minimum as DH hates spending money.[/quote]
You are being abused, both emotionally and financially. And your children are growing up with a father who doesn't give a toss about them.

While you do not have a penny left for yourself he is no doubt putting every spare penny in his investments and pension. Can you get your hand on any of the financial paperwork, including mortgage, house deeds etc?

You need to focus on your escape. Start with Wikivorce and Divorce for Dummies. Once you have a fair idea of how it all works, see an experienced family solicitor. You should walk away with way more than 50% of joint assets.

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