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DS doesn’t know much about politics

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bathinginglitter · 30/01/2022 20:07

DS 20 is at uni, he was telling me how he was with a group of students on his course and they were having a discussion about Brexit and Boris Johnson and DS said he sat there for 10 minutes and didn’t say anything as it’s not something he is interested in or knows enough information to feel he can comment on and feel confident in what he is saying. I’m just wondering have any of going to DC of a similar age who would react in the same way as DS. I’m just a bit concerned that he seems a bit clueless on very important topics.

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AlexaShutUp · 30/01/2022 21:11

@XenoBitch

Er, I am 40s and have no clue (or interest) about politics. Maybe I should be taken somewhere discrete, and hung, drawn and quartered.
I am genuinely not having a go, but don't you feel that there is a civic duty to vote? And therefore to educate yourself about what you're voting for?
TheLovelinessOfDemons · 30/01/2022 21:18

DS 14 has more interest in politics than your DS, OP. They held their own general election at his school when the real one was on, and I'm pleased to say that Labour won. DS 14 was also pleased.

iloveorange · 30/01/2022 21:18

I was never interested in politics at that age, nor later in life. I'm now 34 and would say I'm interested in politics as a whole on a more conceptual level, understanding different perspectives on economics, structure, etc. I still don't care about the daily happenings, and I don't think it makes my life any less anything.

Knowing what Boris has been up to this week is not going to make your son any wiser or knowledgeable. Most people focus on silly events that at the end of the day are inconsequential. Caring about politics, in my opinion, involves a lot more work than reading the latest headlines.

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Hawkins001 · 30/01/2022 21:19

@bathinginglitter

DS 20 is at uni, he was telling me how he was with a group of students on his course and they were having a discussion about Brexit and Boris Johnson and DS said he sat there for 10 minutes and didn’t say anything as it’s not something he is interested in or knows enough information to feel he can comment on and feel confident in what he is saying. I’m just wondering have any of going to DC of a similar age who would react in the same way as DS. I’m just a bit concerned that he seems a bit clueless on very important topics.
With Wikipedia to use, and it's free, i d suggest it as an excellent starting point.
XenoBitch · 30/01/2022 21:21

I am genuinely not having a go, but don't you feel that there is a civic duty to vote? And therefore to educate yourself about what you're voting for?

I have voted before, but no vote ever sat right with me at all. I took various online quizzes to see where my alignment is etc.
I think I am just to dumb to engage with it all tbh.

iloveorange · 30/01/2022 21:23

'I am genuinely not having a go, but don't you feel that there is a civic duty to vote? And therefore to educate yourself about what you're voting for?'

It's statements like this one that interest me more. Is it our civil duty to vote? Why? And will reading the paper educate someone?

I have no answers, but I did start asking myself some odd questions a few years ago. To me that's what makes politics interesting.

MrsWinters · 30/01/2022 21:26

When he gets a job and starts paying tax he’ll get interested. Joking aside, he may of felt left out of the conversation, how about ordering a book like this off Amazon to have delivered to him so he can follow the basics of the conversation? www.amazon.co.uk/Politics-Book-Paul-Kelly/dp/1409364453/ref=asc_df_1409364453/?hvlocphy=1007171&linkCode=df0&hvptwo&psc=1&psc=1&hvnetw=g&hvadid=310843183616&hvpone&hvlocint&th=1&hvpos&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl&hvqmt&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&hvtargid=pla-404766142079&hvrand=9982949232347920771

FredBair · 30/01/2022 21:27

Teaching DC about politics and current affairs is like teaching them to tie their shoe laces only it comes later.
I don't mean passing on your own political views, more encouraging an interest in how things work, explaining opposing views and principles. Showing them how to find out more, explaining press bias.

Neither DC was very fired up by politics in their teens but they certainly are now.
My ds became interested in politics because of Trump which lead to an interest in world politics. Yes, this was definitely a factor in DS1 becoming interested in politics.

travellingturtle · 30/01/2022 21:30

A bit off-topic, but I'd be proud of your son for sitting and listening without saying anything on the basis that he doesn't know enough to share an informed opinion.

FAR too many people wade into conversations they're not informed about because they don't want to be seen as out of the loop, and everyone's expected to have an opinion on everything.

Being OK with keeping your mouth shut and listening is no small thing, and I'd be proud of him for that.

IBloodyLoveMichaelJackson · 30/01/2022 21:33

@XenoBitch

Er, I am 40s and have no clue (or interest) about politics. Maybe I should be taken somewhere discrete, and hung, drawn and quartered.
Same. 37 and know fuck all about politics and if you'd told me (until I read about it on here) Apartheid was a Swedish music festival I'd have believed you! Still own my house and have a well paid job.
bigbluebus · 30/01/2022 21:34

DS has recently finished uni and is very clued up on politics (he didn't study politics at uni). But DH is very into political discussions as was his DF. I was less interested until a few years ago. It is not unusual to find adults who don't know much about politics tbh. But everyone who has a vote should educate themselves otherwise what's the point in voting.

Wrongkindofovercoat · 30/01/2022 21:36

Politics encompasses everything in life. It is easier to break it down into bite size pieces and remember that Left or Right will have crossover ideas, although they hate to admit it.

So rather than discussing 'politics' , you can have a viewpoint on a specific subject, based on your own experience or that of your wider family or community, the demographic you most align with for purposes of that specific subject, and some people who are true believers will naturally pick a side because that is what they are told to do by whatever 'party'. I think the latter very much depends on whether the issue is local or national from experience.

That is what I tell my children, politics effects everything, you can make changes but you need to muster people power to do so. If you aren't happy with something, let those who rely on election for their wages ( local and national ) know that you aren't happy and get as many likeminded people to do the same. You might not change the Government but you could make a change that makes your life better in some way.

We are generally very passive in this country when it comes to politics and yet we could all wield a lot more power if we put our minds to it.

I would get him to start off by finding out who his local councillor is and what their responsibilities are, who is his MP and how to contact them. If he isn't happy about a local or national policy, politely let them know.

At his age, I couldn't have told you which papers were Right and Left leaning Blush

AlexaShutUp · 30/01/2022 21:39

I think I am just to dumb to engage with it all tbh.

I'm sure that's not true! But thank you for answering.

AlexaShutUp · 30/01/2022 21:43

@iloveorange

'I am genuinely not having a go, but don't you feel that there is a civic duty to vote? And therefore to educate yourself about what you're voting for?'

It's statements like this one that interest me more. Is it our civil duty to vote? Why? And will reading the paper educate someone?

I have no answers, but I did start asking myself some odd questions a few years ago. To me that's what makes politics interesting.

Personally, yes, I really think it is a civic duty to vote if you live in a democracy, because I believe that we have a collective responsibility for the kind of society we create. I find it really hard to understand the perspective that voting isn't important, tbh, and I wonder how people would reach that conclusion.

And yes, I agree that reading a few headlines won't really educate people, but there are plenty of ways for people to learn if they are actually interested. I get that lots of people aren't. I just don't understand why. I presume that it's because they don't fully understand how politics affects the society that we live in, rather than that they simply don't care, but I could be wrong?

GinAndTopic · 30/01/2022 21:45

Don't worry, he's at uni and just coming across a reason to be interested because some of his peers are so I'm sure he'll pay more attention now. People start engaging at different times, some never. Me not till way after I went to uni.

Rewis · 30/01/2022 22:01

I've noticed that a lot of people who don't know about politics talk a lot about politics. I do have opinions about Brexit but I don't feel like I know enough to talk about it publicly. I'm somewhat interested in politics however i don't have enough time or interest to be super informed to have a strong opinion I can back up. News don't tell the whole story. Also there is talking about politics and then about politics.

jytdtysrht · 30/01/2022 22:16

Politics is generally composed of lies so I think your DS is better off sticking to his interests.

AuntyClem · 30/01/2022 22:26

Most people who say they aren’t interested in politics are actually interested when you ask them about the issues. Everyone has an opinion on how much tax they pay, or the roads in their area, or the schools, or the local health services - that’s politics.

To be honest, it’s quite refreshing to hear someone admit they don’t know anything about a subject and, as a result, just listen and not express an opinion. Most people are quite happy to give really strong opinions about stuff they know fuck all about.

Someonemustknowtheanswer · 31/01/2022 01:39

@IBloodyLoveMichaelJackson

Christ, that's embarrassing.

fairylightsandwaxmelts · 31/01/2022 06:23

I am genuinely not having a go, but don't you feel that there is a civic duty to vote? And therefore to educate yourself about what you're voting for?

No, not particularly.

But I grew up in a Tory stronghold where it made absolutely fuck all difference who you voted for. Even if every single person who didn't vote Tory all voted Afro the same person, the Tories would still win with a colossal landslide - it was pointless.

Voting IMO is something that exists to give people the illusion that they can make a difference so that they'll shut up.

luckylavender · 31/01/2022 06:57

I honestly think it comes from
your background. We talk about politics all the time at home & my husband and I are on different sides on the spectrum generally. So DS grew up being used to discussing issues.

luckylavender · 31/01/2022 07:00

@fairylightsandwaxmelts

I am genuinely not having a go, but don't you feel that there is a civic duty to vote? And therefore to educate yourself about what you're voting for?

No, not particularly.

But I grew up in a Tory stronghold where it made absolutely fuck all difference who you voted for. Even if every single person who didn't vote Tory all voted Afro the same person, the Tories would still win with a colossal landslide - it was pointless.

Voting IMO is something that exists to give people the illusion that they can make a difference so that they'll shut up.

That's a depressing attitude. I live in a bellweather now so it's different. But even the most baked in seats can change. Recently Owen Paterson's seat.
Beetrootwithcarrot · 31/01/2022 07:06

I vote but I dislike all the parties which makes it difficult to feel interested much less passionate.

fairylightsandwaxmelts · 31/01/2022 07:12

Meh, not depressing - more realistic lol.

I don't trust any politician to act in my best interests or to do what they say they're going to do. I'm not ignorant either - I studied politics at university and went to numerous talks with MP's and tbh, it just made me even more cynical Grin

QuiltedHippo · 31/01/2022 07:16

SimplePolitics on Instagram is a decent resource, very balanced and easily broken down current events. Good for him for wanting to know more