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soupdragon321 · 27/01/2022 09:59

Am planning on paining kitchen/dining room. Very large area. Looking at Strong white by F&B. Will be painting it ourselves to save on costs. Walls have had a mist coat of white emulsion. Is F&B modern emulsion easy to use? Have heard so many mixed reviews. Or should we get the colour mixed up in, say, crown extreme clean? Would be cheaper and more hard wearing, but will it be easy to apply? If we do go F& B, do we need to prime the walls first?

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soupdragon321 · 27/01/2022 13:07

Anyone?

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Guineapiggiesmalls · 27/01/2022 13:14

We had our living room and bedroom done in modern emulsion last month. We’d previously colour matched and not been happy with the result so went with F&B. Our painter was a bit precious and said we’d not got enough paint, and it was difficult to use but ended up having some leftover and the finish is lovely so obviously wasn’t that tricky! I think F&B might encourage you to use a base, but if you’re doing white over white it seems unnecessary to me. Good luck!

StarbucksSmarterSister · 27/01/2022 13:17

I've just done my bedroom in F and B, but a dark colour in the Estate Emulsion, not sure what difference there is. I didn't prime (previous colour was pale). One coat and it looks great.

No smell at all, goes on easily and washes out of rollers etc really quickly.

It's expensive so I might not use it in every room but for my bedroom and sitting room I definitely would.

I had a dupe in the hallway and although I love the colour, it's not exactly the same as the F and B original.

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crj123 · 27/01/2022 13:18

My decorator hated f&b - he said it's a market positioning over quality and if I found an f&b Colour I couldn't live without to let him know and he would have it recreated with a good paint firm. He said it's really not good coverage and cheaply made.

Unphased · 27/01/2022 13:23

I’ve always found it hard to keep clean, wears down quickly, you can’t touch it up as batches change slightly, it just sets be the paint to use to say you’ve used it, not long lasting and expensive

BarrowInFurnessRailwayStation · 27/01/2022 13:29

We've got it in a couple of rooms and found it went on fine and it's wearing fine. It's in the kitchen and lounge, so high traffic areas.

Ilovechocolatetoomuch · 27/01/2022 13:35

Absolute nightmare, it's impossible to touch up and every mark really shows. It goes on easy but it's not a family friendly paint.

Daftasabroom · 27/01/2022 13:41

F&B are notoriously iffy paints, you're paying for the marketing.

If you're happy to spend F&B money try Lakeland for the best paints I've used, organic too.

For a good white try Dulux Trade Emulsion, it's ever so slightly warmer than many others.

For a good colour match Valspar V700 at B&Q.

For spraying McPherson Trade.

For woodwork Lakeland or Osmo.

For problem areas Zinsser will have a product to suit.

If you have large areas use big paint scuttle and roller with a good extension. I only ever use Harris manmade brushes these days.

usernotfound0000 · 27/01/2022 13:48

We used a colour match from Decorating Center Online, I think it was Johnson's trade paint that they used. Did the bedroom with 18 months ago and it still looks like new, really happy with it.

On the downside, we used F&B modern emulsion in the kitchen/diner 3 years ago and I'm looking at it now thinking it really needs re-doing, and the coverage wasn't anywhere near as good as with the colour match.

Diamond263 · 27/01/2022 13:49

We used to always use F&B until I discovered Little Greene. Won't ever bother with F&B again, it's cheap, thin and a nightmare to clean. Little greene on the other hand, you only need one or two coats, it's wipeable and the coverage is amazing. Have a look at their colours!

Tal45 · 27/01/2022 13:54

If you're looking for a lovely white and been put off F and B (I've read a lot that it's good marketing not good product) then I can't recommend Dulux Timeless enough. I've been painting it everywhere after doing testers of all the whites I could find including F and B. I've been pairing it with Dulux saphire salute which is a lovely shade but I don't rate as highly as the Timeless white.

soupdragon321 · 27/01/2022 13:55

Soooo, mixed reviews again! It’s so strange. DH reckons we should just go for it, as if in a couple of years it looks worn etc, we can just paint it again with something else

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CCSS15 · 27/01/2022 13:57

I wonder if it varies by colour or wall type as we have mainly f&b throughout the house and it's 1 or 2 coats to go on, goes on easy and I've touched it up no problem if we've had child fingerprints
I think although you may match the colour, you won't match the tone - my living room changes colour throughout the day due to the chalky finish and light hitting it

LittleKitten1 · 27/01/2022 14:03

Have been happy with F&B on walls that are not likely to get scuffed.
Wouldn't use it for a hallway but for a bedroom should be fine. The colour is lovely and deep.

SarahAndQuack · 27/01/2022 14:17

It's funny how different people's experiences are. FWIW, I have estate emulsion in my bedroom, which I got cheap when our local Homebase closed down (I wouldn't have considered it otherwise - literally the only thing I knew about it was LaQueen had an unhealthy obsession with it back in the day on here, and that wasn't a recommendation in my view). I've been pleasantly surprised. It was a bugger to paint with, but it's been there a few years now and still looks great, easy to touch up (I am really surprised someone said it's not!). Plus the paint lasts for ages in the tin, which is helpful.

SarahAndQuack · 27/01/2022 14:18

Oh, but if you are put off it, I'll put in a vote for Earthborn paints. Lovely colours (though you really need tester pots as I find their tester cards really inaccurate) and lovely thick paint.

NameChangeCity123 · 27/01/2022 14:20

@crj123

My decorator hated f&b - he said it's a market positioning over quality and if I found an f&b Colour I couldn't live without to let him know and he would have it recreated with a good paint firm. He said it's really not good coverage and cheaply made.
This was the case for us too, painter absolutely hates it and suggested we just get a colour match instead
spellingtest · 27/01/2022 14:26

Hi OP
I can reply with confidence having been a farrow and ball stockist and one of their colour consultants.
Farrow and Ball paint is a high quality product but it's fair to say that some decorators don't like using it. The decorators I employed weee not an exception to that rule. Much depends on the colour and if it's a transparent or opaque base before the colour is added.
The colours they have on offer are incomparable though.
Now that I'm not affiliated with farrow and ball I get velspar to colour match (go for their premium paint though) and you will have the colour you want less the high cost and an easier product to work with.
I've heard many good things about lick paint but I'm yet to try it.

WarmSeaSwimmer · 27/01/2022 14:48

We've used Farrow & Ball a couple of times but for a recent project our interior designer suggested paints from Little Greene and Paint & Paper Library. We much preferred the quality of these and won't use F&B again.

soupdragon321 · 29/01/2022 07:48

Thanks everyone. Gosh it’s crazy isn’t it. I’ve spoken with soooooo many people, including professional decorators and the opinions are so mixed. I’ve had F&B Strong White colour matched in Johnstones, Leyland and Tikkurilla and none of them were a match. I’ve had people say F&B is terrible and others saying it’s lovely. It’s nuts! DH says we should just go for the F&B and if we need to repaint it later then so be it as we’ll be saving on decorating costs as we’re doing it ourselves. We would be going for Modern Emulsion

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nongnangning · 29/01/2022 09:34

Farrow & Ball paint user here, after years of Dulux trade emulsion etc. Like you I heard all this conflicting info and views ... so I decided to throw some ££s at the issue and do a test. I picked an F&B colour and bought a tin of estate emulsion, a tin of modern emulsion and a colour matched tin of Johnstone's (which the rumour mill said makes the best match). My findings were:
*estate emulsion, the F&B classic flat matt finish, 2% sheen. Brilliant
*modern emulsion, 7% sheen - the extra shininess makes it look a slightly different colour as it's all to do with the way the light falls onto the wall and interacts with the paint
*Johnstones - sort of a colour match, but not really, much greyer, plus it was not much cheaper than the real thing, which surprised me

On decorators views. What they say and what they mean are sometimes two different things. When they say 'I don't like F&B' what they mean is 'I am worried the client will complain when they get a scuff after two weeks and it won't wash off ' plus 'I can't get a trade discount on F&B so my margin is affected'. I just did a big decorating job - and the decorator I hired was not the cheapest, but the guy who arrived with the F&B colour chart in hand and said 'Colour X, Colour Y, these are brilliant choices and it will look great'. He did a great job too!

On touching up. Again, this is to do with how the light falls on your wall. In some lights I can faintly see that there was once a door that has been plastered over underneath one of my walls. This is not to do with crap plastering - it's to do with light. Most of the time this effect is not there. In another room there is a dirty fingermark in the middle of the wall, so I touched this up out of a tester pot. Again, in some lights you can see it, some lights you can't, mostly not.

On F&B vs Little Greene vs Mylands vs P&P Library - all of these more expensive paints have great pigment in them and are in more trendy colours and finishes than cheaper paint. You are either the type of person who's willing to shell out on the expensive stuff for a better look (might be the finish, might be the colour) or for wealth and status-type reasons (meaning you can show off your F&B paintwork to the neighbours), or you're not. IMO, with all these paint brands it's less about which one is technically best and more about 'am I the sort of person who paints my walls with these types and brands of paint'.

On undercoat. Don't use white undercoat for one of the darker F&B colours, but white undercoat will be fine for the whites .. as long as it is a water-based type of paint.

On marketing: F&B's marketing is beyond good. They set the trends with their social media, paint consultancies and so on. But that doesn't mean their paint isn't any good.

I think your decision is not whether to try F&B, but whether to try the estate emulsion or modern. Sorry, that probably confuses it even further Grin

onedayoranother · 29/01/2022 10:06

My decorator rates Little Green.

SamphiretheStickerist · 29/01/2022 10:17

We use Earthborn clay paint. Really easy to use in all variations. Their water based gloss is quite a revelation!

nongnangning · 29/01/2022 10:45

The other thing I meant to say was: I think F&B is a bit of a gateway drug to some of the other posh/expensive/esoteric/design-led brands

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