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Can someone explain that business about sanitary products and hospital workers

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Ohmycron · 23/01/2022 16:43

I don’t understand why they just can’t take a big pack in in case they run short like everyone else does

Have I missed something.

OP posts:
Sideswiped · 23/01/2022 21:23

Ok, I'll bite.... @Mum78911 'To make out you need sanpro as though you're deprived is frankly shocking.'
As I said before no-one here is the arbiter of other women's periods. What happens for you may well not be what happens to them.
You've staggeringly missed the point that it's the access to sanitary products that is the issue here. Or, did you read something I didn't?
What alternative would you have? Women 'free-bleeding' all over the place? Hmm

Tsuni · 23/01/2022 21:23

@Mum78911

I'm an ex hospital worker Formerly. To make out you need sanpro as though you're deprived is frankly shocking. Yes put some in the toilets by all means. Like toilet paper. It will probably get stolen like the toilet paper. But making a massive issue about it is pathetic. Lots of people have difficult jobs. A baby might have died because I didn't have a pad and my locker was a mile away! Get a grip.
Well you weren't a doctor or nurse with a bedside manner like that.
getsanta · 23/01/2022 21:24

@Veryverycalmnow

Wow! I don't understand why we wouldn't ALL be supporting an idea that would make life more comfortable for so many women.

I have heavy periods and have to ask people to cover for me in the classroom and sometimes there is nobody. It's not easy, but I can't imagine how tricky this would be with the locker so far away/ restrictions in what can be carried on one's person and no real breaks on a reallylong shift! Where has everyone's empathy gone?

If your periods aren't so heavy that you are constantly bleeding through, I still think you might have friends or family members for whom this is an issue. It might become an issue for you one day. Why not make sanitary products available AND work on the issue of not enough breaks. We should be supportive of each other, surely?

There's too much of that, "well it doesn't affect me, so it's not a problem!" from a few posters on here and suggestions of how they would handle this difficulty so much better than others.

Absolutely. All these posters talking about "taking initiative" and "back in my day". FFS. Let's do this utterly small thing that women, who save our lives, are asking for.
Mum78911 · 23/01/2022 21:24

Yes a nurse for years. With a pocket!

Mum78911 · 23/01/2022 21:25

Nobody is saying don't put a pack of pads in the toilet. It's the melodrama that goes with it.

getsanta · 23/01/2022 21:25

@Mum78911 but why wouldn't you advocate to make lives easier for the women following in your footsteps?

OverByYer · 23/01/2022 21:26

Hopefully not on the gynae ward that I was admitted to when I lost so much blood during one period I became tachycardic and ended up in resus

Graphista · 23/01/2022 21:28

Healthcare workers learn to have iron bladders because they DON'T get enough breaks for loo!

There are restrictions (even in non Covid times) on what loos they're allowed to use (for infection control purposes) and too many places DON'T have enough staff loos or have them near enough to nip to! They aren't allowed to just use the patient or even visitor ones

Lockers IF available are often in stupid places too!

Im not convinced that they are so busy all the time that they cant go for a wee

Wow!

Was certainly the case when I worked nhs and that was almost 30 years ago and from ex colleagues/friends I am still in touch with who are still working in nhs I am told conditions are FAR worse than they were then!

Staff are timed on their breaks in the worst places

Depending on the area of medicine a hcp works in too there may well be strict rules on infection control that means it's NOT like when you change at home a quick 5 minute job it can take half an hour or so!

Between spread out hospital campuses, "one way systems" within hospitals (so the room you need to get to MIGHT be just through door A but you're not allowed to go that route (usually infection control or security reasons) so actually you have to go through door B down corridor C, then up one floor in one lift down 2 floors in another and down ANOTHER corridor to get to the room you need! This is not an exaggeration my first hospital I worked in we had to do something like this to get to the staff loos! Took a good 15 mins!) poorly located lockers and loos, infection control rules, additional handwashing required...

Staff are questioned and expected to justify their every move! If they're in a room/lift/corridor they're not supposed to be they get a bollocking just for that!

If I was on a very heavy period I would shove a new pad into the top of my tights or down the side of my bra or something, so I'm prepared for later on.

Some infection control uniform rules wouldn't allow for that or the clothing wouldn't be suitable etc

If I'm scrubbed then I need to find someone to scrub in to replace me and do their checks before I can leave the table. exactly

As a pp says, if men bled every month you can bet your arse there would be everything required in every bathroom in the land.

Damn straight!

@LuluBlakey1 wow!

1 you're wrong there are a number of reasons why it's harder for hcps as mentioned

2 what a SHOCKING lack of compassion!

What is the difference between this and toilet paper? It’s to deal with a bodily function?

I agree there's no difference!

What is actually needed is more staff.

True - and for SO many reasons inc lack of breaks

But this govt WANTS the public to turn on the nhs! Underfunding/understaffing it is the perfect way to do so!

@Tiredmum100 yes! I was just thinking about the community nurses too!

@Stompythedinosaur yep! Hence the can't just go through door A situation cos it compromises the security of a secure Mh ward for example

well I manage ok so what's wrong with those of you that can't?

Very common on threads discussing periods on the general boards I can remember commenting on the period poverty threads a few years back, a lot of ignorant and compassionless posters who ASSUMED that all womens periods were the same as theirs! This was in the vast majority if not all cases posters whose periods were really pretty light and short lasting

I was explaining as I have endo just how bad and expensive things were for me at their worst (not just Sanpro, also pain meds, ruined clothes, towels,bedding etc) and I was more than once told I was lying! As were some fellow sufferers it was disgusting!

@Bigoakbeam for example has clearly never had an ACTUAL very heavy period! When I was a max absorbency pad AND tampon were soaked through usually in around 50 mins

@gogohm I've also worked in many other industries and I can assure you it IS completely different in healthcare!

most nurses are assigned to one area for a shift so it's less of an issue.

Not always though. Depends on their clinical area.

Only question I have for the nurses and other hcps on thread - what are your unions doing about this? Are you in unions?

Nurses have been dealing with difficult and even unhealthy and almost abusive working conditions for decades.

Yep

Is there a manager anywhere in the NHS who would say no, you have to wait until your designated break time?

Omg yes! Most of them ime/what I've heard recently!

are you allowed to wear anything under scrubs?

Not always depends what your work involves.

Theatre you couldn't, mental health I'm thinking secure wards probably not, areas where infection control is very strict eg icu, I'm sure there are others too

Sanitary stuff doesn’t cost a lot these days and you can carry it with you.

Clearly not read the thread!

How many of them vote Tory as they 'know what a woman is'.
Fat lot of good that knowledge is doing here eh?!

Ugh I know! Don't get me started!

I do wonder if the same people saying that they don't believe that some don't get chance for a toilet break in a shift would also be the same ones complaining when left by a HCP for the 20 mins it might take to get to a locker, get the sanpro, change, observe hygiene and get back to the patient.

Oh come on! You KNOW they'd be the FIRST to complain!

I really think if you haven’t done the job/worn the uniform/walked the walk then you just don’t have a clue.

Yep!

Same way they were horrified at how much it cost us to park, that we weren’t allowed to park on-site and discouraged from parking in a particular radius of the hospital and that at 5.30pm I was just getting to go for my ‘lunch’.

Yes yes yes!

A lot of people are completely deluded about the state of the NHS right now!

Definitely!

And I include myself in that. I'm told but I'm no longer experiencing it and I'm being told it's WAY worse now and it was bad enough back then!

Sideswiped · 23/01/2022 21:28

And to point out the obvious flaw in that argument, what if you needed, say four of the great big 'fuck off' pads in your pocket? Would they fit then?
You're taking out of somewhere, but it's not your mouth....

CeleriacOfTheNight · 23/01/2022 21:29

Some of the attitudes on this thread are really saddening. It's like people can't see outside of their own small sphere of experience.

It reminds me of a few years ago, when 'period poverty' hit the headlines, and my perfectly lovely 50 something colleague remarked that it 'wasn't a thing when we were young, we managed'.

She was quite taken aback when I said that actually, it was very much a thing for me, and I would regularly miss 2-3 days of school every month, on the days when I knew that wadded up, cheap shit toilet roll stuffed in my knickers wouldn't cut it.

Hobnobswantshernameback · 23/01/2022 21:31

Amazing when an actual healthcare professional posts
You can tell from reading their posts what it's really like

Mandatorymongoose · 23/01/2022 21:34

When the RCN (nurses union)were asking if people would strike over pay their non-strike industrial action suggestion was "taking your allocated breaks and starting and finishing on time". The fact that actually having time to eat / drink / go to the loo and not doing unpaid hours counts as industrial action should give you a vague idea of what working in healthcare is like.

I've worked on MH wards (like previous poster) stuck on constant observations and unable to be leave, if you are down a corridor somewhere hoping that another staff member will walk past so you can beg them to take over for 5 mins you are stuck. If you are deescalating an angry/ upset / suicidal patient you can't just nip to the loo. Wards are often understaffed and everyone is busy.
In community nursing you might know every supermarket/ services where you can use the toilets but actually having time to get there (if it's even 5 mins drive in the wrong direction)is another issue.

I don't think san pro in toilets is the real answer (that would be more staff!) but if it helps a few women avoid embarrassing and uncomfortable situations it isn't a huge ask either.

VioletOcean · 23/01/2022 21:34

Leave a bag on a shelf with them in and pop to the loo as you need to. No one is going to moan that you a loo break surely

Graphista · 23/01/2022 21:38

The fact that actually having time to eat / drink / go to the loo and not doing unpaid hours counts as industrial action should give you a vague idea of what working in healthcare is like.

Excellent way of putting it!

And if they DID do this there would indeed be uproar!

Leave a bag on a shelf with them in and pop to the loo as you need to. No one is going to moan that you a loo break surely

And another who hasn't read it!

What shelf? Where? How about staff that are sent working all over the hospital like anaesthetists and x ray techs?

And YES managers not only moan about staff taking loo breaks they punish them for it!

Snowiscold · 23/01/2022 21:40

@VioletOcean

Leave a bag on a shelf with them in and pop to the loo as you need to. No one is going to moan that you a loo break surely
What bag? What shelf? What break? No “popping” to the loo, which might be some distance away with no-one to cover you.
SergeiL · 23/01/2022 21:42

It’s shocking that women are not supporting other women here.

Think outside your own small sphere of experience.

Jeez.

GrealishHairband · 23/01/2022 21:49

What shelf @VioletOcean?!

The newest hospital closest to me was built without staff rooms on the wards. Deliberately. Labour ward and ICU had to fight to get one. They got special dispensation.

You can’t just put random bags on random shelves. Infection control would have a dicky fit, surfaces must remain clear.

Like others actually this has never really crossed my mind, I don’t work clinically so much anymore thankfully. However now that it has been brought up I recall all the times it did cause an issue for me and I just had to suck up the inconvenience of having to change my scrub trousers because I’d leaked, or being very aware of just how soaking my pad was. And if we can do something to stop that from happening then why bloody shouldn’t we?

Mickarooni · 23/01/2022 21:53

Talk about dismissive and unpleasant attitudes. I’m not a health care professional but fully support this. It won’t impact the NHS budget but might bring comfort and reassurance to those who are taking care of me (and my loved ones). I’ve spent a lot of time as a patient in hospital. I don’t want my nurse or doctor feeling stressed about their own toileting and mensturation.

caringcarer · 23/01/2022 21:54

I have never seen a ward without a nurses station. Surely just pop sanpro behind nurses station. Toilets on every ward.

OnOldOlympus · 23/01/2022 21:57

@caringcarer

I have never seen a ward without a nurses station. Surely just pop sanpro behind nurses station. Toilets on every ward.
This might work if you’re based on one ward, but what about staff that cover lots of different areas? Then what do you do?
MananaTomorrow · 23/01/2022 21:58

@caringcarer don’t you think that if it was as easy as that, all the women working on the NHS wouod have tp done that already?

They are not stupid.

Posters have explained what their daily life is, why it’s not as easy as it looks. Why not just believing them rather than thinking you know better than those who actually live through that situation??

boymum88 · 23/01/2022 21:58

Surely it should just be made law that Sano is provide in each staff loo, no matter what sector. All women no matter what job / walk of life should have access to products if needed. Most will never use them but for that one women in that work place would make a world of difference.
And yes I'm a hcp, I can't just nip out of theatre to chance my products if I'm scrubbed. I am however lucky that my department is not big so can nip to my Locker, still dosnt stop people shouting for you, while your sat on the loo. "Name come on where briefing, they are all waiting'

GrealishHairband · 23/01/2022 22:01

@caringcarer why not just put it in the toilet if you’re going to provide it at the nurses station??

Or do you mean every nurse and doctor put their own behind the nurses station? 😂 genuinely just imaging the Labour ward sisters face if she couldn’t get to the computer to check the bed board because there were 12 different types of sanitary towel and tampon floating about. Not to mention the docs who cover us, antenatal, postnatal, triage and gynae. Which station do they just put theirs at?

legallytired · 23/01/2022 22:03

@simonisnotme

Im not convinced that they are so busy all the time that they cant go for a wee
After returning from a short stay on a children's ward with my 1yo who had an operation last week, I am fully convinced the staff do not catch a breath to use the toilet or stop to eat the majority of the time.

I felt the same after I stayed in hospital after having my son, they were fantastically hardworking but clearly so over stretched!

TangoWhiskyAlphaTango · 23/01/2022 22:04

@Tiredmum100

Work as a community nurse which can a real a pita when you need the toilet to sort yourself but have to drive back to base. Oh I'll just go to so and so as I'm right by their house...
Yep community nurse for 23 years so feel your pain.

Op is just being a goady twat IMO.