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The situation in LA

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Cheesefiend36 · 14/12/2021 10:34

www.nytimes.com/2021/12/12/us/los-angeles-mayor-race.html

I've been reading with interest that LA has had a terrible time of it since Covid and new anti prison sentence laws which has seen crime go up. I follow somebody who was in LA for a holiday last week and vowed never to go back after seeing the amount of poverty, homeless camps in tourist places, crime rates and a general feeling of not being safe. Lifeless bodies on the side of the road is apparently the norm with no body batting an eyelid

LAPD have recommended that tourists stay away because they can't keep them safe

Is anyone there right now or has been recently that can share their experience?
So much wealth there, how can this be happening?

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julieca · 15/12/2021 11:52

Its the acceptance that homelessness is inevitable that is the issue. That and the belief that some people don't matter and their suffering can be ignored.

kwiksavenofrillsusername · 15/12/2021 11:54

[quote MissMinutes24]There were a couple of Instagram accounts - Santa Monica Problems and LA Homeles - that really detailed the problems. The former was from the perspective of residents, the latter was an incredible account run by a guy who used to go and interview homeless people and ask them about how they were doing/how they'd ended up there. I can't seem to find either of them on Instagram any more (SM problems I remember had recurring issues with being shut down - I'm no conspiracy theorist but Santa Monica is LA's tech hub and I do find that suspicious since politicians hated it [[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/josh-brolin-flexes-social-media-muscle-feud-between-city-council-member-watchdog-group-1250623/]]

Anyway here is another Instagram account documenting crime and homelessness in LA. I don't think there is anything comparable in the UK [[https://instagram.com/streetpeopleoflosangeles?utmmedium=copylink]][/quote]
Some subreddits for cities heavily censor what can and can’t be said. I follow the cities where my family live, and if you read them you’d think they were hipster paradises where the only thing to worry about is where to get the best taco. Combine that with a biased and selective media, and I mean biased on both sides, not just Fox News, and it’s easy to see why people wouldn’t know what’s going on.

baroqueandblue · 15/12/2021 11:54

@mathanxiety

..what confuses me is the lack of understanding that a better society for all makes it better for you.

@ginnig - the rugged individualism comes from a particular strain of protestantism which conflates a strong work ethic with prosperity and prosperity with god's favour.

It's a very smug sort of circular reasoning, which is also shaped by assumptions associated with race - the visible poor tend to be black, so therefore there is something wrong with black people, and since hard work is redemptive, improving the social welfare safety net will only keep them in their state of degeneration.

When you see material poverty as evidence of moral turpitude you will find it easy to condemn a huge number of people for moral failings, and you don't see money as a way to help the poor.

Redemption is a huge theme in the American imagination. But the flip side of redemption is condemnation, and that plays a big part in the American mindset.

Thank you for this post, which I love. Makes me want to read something longer that continues your brief, brilliant analysis. Could you recommend something, or have you written anything yourself?! 😃
zafferana · 15/12/2021 11:55

We were in CA in August and I actually thought SF was BETTER than it was back in 2005, the last time we visited. There were homeless people on the streets, but many had been moved to a more permanent site with marked pitches near Union Square where facilities such as toilets, showers and charities providing food were present and the streets themselves were cleaner. The Tenderloin, however, which we went through on a tour, was still very grimy with lots of street homeless. The main tourist areas were much improved though, in our opinion.

As for LA, we were shocked by the tents everywhere - on the pavement, along the side of the freeways, under bridges, in car parks, basically all over the city. There were people clearly highly intoxicated wandering around, falling down, one guy was out cold lying on the pavement, under the burning sun, on Hollywood Boulevard at 10am. Hollywood was a complete dump, much worse than I remembered, filthy and threatening, Venice Beach was frankly frightening - everyone there looked like a gang member, a pimp, a drug dealer, a drug user or something undesirable - we got out of there asap. But the 'nice' areas like Beverly Hills were clean and tidy and once you got up in the Hollywood Hills the problems of the city faded and it all looked very nice and clean and wealthy and how you would expect. Our friend, who lives there though, confirmed a lot of the problems we'd seen and said things had got MUCH worse over the past 2-5 years - crime, drugs, homelessness, filth, drought, you name it. We were staying in an apartment on a nice wide boulevard with a grassy area in the middle of the road where several homeless people had pitched tents. We were appalled, tbh.

godmum56 · 15/12/2021 11:57

I have a relative who used to go on holiday tours to the USA every year to enjoy the shopping. She has been saying for years that LA is like this. The couriers warn them where not to walk including not walking round to the back of the (very nice) hotels they stay in. Some 30 years ago i lived in New Jersey in a very expensive rural area. the nearest town was Morristown...very classy small town rural, posh shops and restaurants, tourist venue...but walk two streets from the centre and there were literal slums...and again places you didn't walk in the daytime let alone at night. I am not saying it hasn't got worse but its not a new phenomenon...same with New Orleans....it was teetering on the edge before the hurricane and only took one disaster to send it over the brink.

EvilPea · 15/12/2021 12:18

@julieca

Its the acceptance that homelessness is inevitable that is the issue. That and the belief that some people don't matter and their suffering can be ignored.
And they didn’t work / try hard enough.
Chocaholic9 · 15/12/2021 12:23

[quote 50ShadesOfCatholic]@Chocaholic9 lucky you. And no I haven't spotted human faeces on the footpath around my home, it's quite a nice area, but certainly in some areas especially where there is poverty, homelessness and heavy drinking. It's easy to stick to your own little world and stay unaware. I have a role that takes me into many communities.[/quote]
I live in the most dangerous place in the country (in terms of violent crime as of 2020) and I haven't ever seen human feces on the pavement and I go into the CBD often. Compared to my travels in Europe and the US, seeing NZ mentioned among San Francisco and London, was jarring.

Sonex · 15/12/2021 12:23

the stark contrast between the haves and the have nots has stayed with me.

Yes me too. I've thought about it a lot actually since I was there (Sept 2019 and Feb 2020 - just before lockdown). I work for a US tech company (why I was there) but based in London (born here, lived and worked there for decades) and there is a lot of wealth and back-slapping about share prices and what have you. I struggle sometimes to reconcile that and my life in London with what I saw in Tenderloin on those 2 trips. Human beings (streets and streets of them) who were effectively human trash. Like nothing I have seen in London in the 4 decades I have lived in or around there. Admittedly, you can see it creeping in with the Fentanyl and, more so, particularly in Manchester, wtf that Spice is. People staggering around like zombies. there was a lot of that in SF as well so I think its a problem there too. I saw a woman in that state naked from the waist down having sex on the pavement (being raped I guess) and showing not a flicker of reaction. And I know I keep banging on about this but this was in broad daylight!

If you think I am exaggerating, you are wrong. And I'm not being anti-American - SF tech money feeds my kids, but the disparity between the 'doing ok' people, never mind the millionaires, and the homeless was just so stark. Rightly or wrongly, I would have been prepared for it in somewhere like Calcutta. I wasn't expecting it in SF, I have to say. And it's such an expensive city to live in! Even many of the tech workers live in rundown RVs by the side of the road as apparently they cant afford apartments - you can see them all lined up at night along the road in Palo Alto.

Sonex · 15/12/2021 12:24

This was before that new site with the pitches so glad to hear that may have improved the situation somewhat.

Wondering1000 · 15/12/2021 12:27

New York had a very dark time in the 70s and 80s, where the city had (reportedly) a very apocalyptic feel. Maybe LA is going through a similar period and can hopefully come out the other side.

I found it quite shocking when I visited DC that homeless people would walk up to your car, bang on your windows, shout at you asking for money. Whilst you were sat in traffic waiting for the lights to change. Washington DC! The heart of government.

TheHolyPotato · 15/12/2021 12:33

Donex yes it's so darned expensive. The pleasant enough suburban neighbourhood I stayed in during the 80s with a family friend is now wildly expensive. (That family of three grown up kids plus parents have all moved state years ago as they couldn't afford to live there on middle class incomes.

androiduser · 15/12/2021 12:34

@roses2

Wow - I honestly had no idea and had always thought of LA as a wealthy county. Thanks for highlighting this, it’s really insightful.

I'm astounded by this thread also. I had no idea.

NutsFromSainburys · 15/12/2021 12:36

I used to see multiple tents in the Victoria area and around MArbleArch 3-4 years ago, that shocked me. Parts south London have extremely destitute looking homeless people

godmum56 · 15/12/2021 12:42

@NutsFromSainburys

I used to see multiple tents in the Victoria area and around MArbleArch 3-4 years ago, that shocked me. Parts south London have extremely destitute looking homeless people
A mate of mine spent some time in a very posh flat on canary wharf (this is some 15 or so years ago) her husband works in films and telly behind the cameras, he was needed in London so the company put him up in this flat. I can remember her being shocked when they went out for a walk on Sunday morning because there were homeless people sleeping and faeces and vomit around the outside of the building.
Peregrina · 15/12/2021 12:48

I can remember her being shocked when they went out for a walk on Sunday morning because there were homeless people sleeping and faeces and vomit around the outside of the building.

But it's this which might force them to clean up their act - a bit like the Victorians built sewers when the stench from the Thames became too much for the well to do.

whataboutbob · 15/12/2021 12:51

This thread gives the Film Nomadlands an extra dimension. Makes sense that there is a growing, mostly elderly community of people essentially living in vehicles. Sad.

whataboutbob · 15/12/2021 12:53

Don’t want to derail but I’m sometimes shocked when entering Paris ( via the south) you see whole shantytowns under motorway bridges. I think they are often inhabited by Eastern European gypsies and illegal immigrants.

justasking111 · 15/12/2021 12:58

I sometimes wonder if the reset theory is about killing off the unloved

unname · 15/12/2021 13:04

@DingleyDel

Yep.

I had a front row seat to the opioid crisis. My addict was a big drug user long before OxyContin came along. Mostly Uppers and downers. Doctor shopping, trading chores for pills with old ladies, whatever. Very functional guy, coached his kid’s sports, ran a small business, etc.

He knew he to get things, including Oxy so started trading with Oxy users to get whatever he wanted. Got a hookup out of Detroit that was getting the Oxy out of Canada where there were no restrictions and driving it right down interstate 75 to every little small town on the way, destroying them one by one. Some states in US had already started limiting Oxy a bit by this point. Kentucky and Connecticut started tracking prescriptions and sanctioning doctors who prescribed higher doses. Both states sued Purdue and won. Purdue admitted they lied about the addictive properties.

My addict tried Oxy one day instead of his current drug of choice because someone told him it was a high like no other. The story only got uglier from there. Purdue did what they did, but even once it became harder to get Oxy the folks addicted kept on going.

TameDucksAtChatsworth · 15/12/2021 13:04

Op.

What are the, "new anti prison laws"?

I mean-I know what all those words mean individually but surely the sum total can't mean that laws are passed which negate prison sentences.

If it does, what is the thinking behind it and who are the daft bastards who are passing them?

JellyfishandShells · 15/12/2021 13:04

@SandysMam

There are parts of London that are like this now, tent cities, homeless people everywhere, human waste on the pavements. It’s terrifying.
Where ? I’m a Londoner and, apart from a very specific issue that used to be around Marble Arch with a particular group, I don’t recognise this. The Waterloo roundabout underground cardboard city is also long gone.
Cheesefiend36 · 15/12/2021 13:11

@TameDucksAtChatsworth

Op.

What are the, "new anti prison laws"?

I mean-I know what all those words mean individually but surely the sum total can't mean that laws are passed which negate prison sentences.

If it does, what is the thinking behind it and who are the daft bastards who are passing them?

Sorry my phrasing wasn't quite right, it's more anti bail laws. My understanding is that a large number of criminals who can't afford cash bail and would usually be sent to prison until they go to court - now have to be released. It's designed I believe in response to the inequality where minorities who commit relatively minor crimes are in prison for a long time because they can't afford to pay the bail. It's supposed to be for low level and non violent crimes, my understanding is that criminals are being allowed to go free for a whole manner of things and going on to repeat more crime,knowing that they can get away with it

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/26/california-bail-ruling-judge

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Campfirewood · 15/12/2021 13:11

@Sonex

  • Admittedly, you can see it creeping in with the Fentanyl and, more so, particularly in Manchester, wtf that Spice is. People staggering around like zombies. there was a lot of that in SF as well so I think its a problem there too. I saw a woman in that state naked from the waist down having sex on the pavement (being raped I guess) and showing not a flicker of reaction. And I know I keep banging on about this but this was in broad daylight!•

That's horrific, my politics is pretty central, but even I see the value in being a more socialist society after reading things like this.

RunningInTheWind · 15/12/2021 13:15

I watched a couple of the “white underbelly” videos and feel quite shaken up. The most recent one is an 8 month pregnant woman who is only 23 but living in hell.

The comments are full of “god is looking out for you and your baby” and “prayers”.

She needs a fucking apartment, fridge full of food, baby equipment and rehab/support.

I loved Venice Beach although the bus driver refused to leave the bus… it wasn’t as bad when I went as it is now. “Crocodile Dundee” lives there and whilst he sounds like a complete knob - the conditions around his house sound dreadful. Imagine making millions and sinking it into a “paradise beach house” only to have it end up like that. Actually last I read, he was heading back to Oz.

MaMaLa321 · 15/12/2021 13:16

In Portland, which was very welcoming to homeless, the policy has been a victim of its own success, with more and more coming, so they are camped all along residential streets in “hipster” areas, defecating in public and needless to say bringing crime as they need to finance their drug habits.
Yes, we were there a few years ago, and I believe you're right. In that there was a political decision to allow people to camp in the streets. It was like a set of a zombie movie and I felt truly sorry for the people trying to keep businesses going.