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Disagreement with h - who's right?

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showmethemoneyplease · 12/12/2021 18:48

I asked h to tidy his office this weekend. He’s so untidy – his office is full of crap. He has to step over stuff to get to the door. We have two garages and they’re both full of his crap. He never sees mess or suggest tidying anything – I always have to nag him into doing it.

Anyway, he was looking for spare xmas tree light bulbs today in a small drawer and found some of my old credit cards and random cards (eg garden centre points cards, that sort of thing) that I’d put there to lighten my purse before a holiday a couple of years ago. He started to sort through those and asked which he could throw out. I said, ‘don’t bother about those, they’re mine. I’ll go through them when I’m ready.’

He then got in a huff, saying it was pointless putting them back in the drawer when I didn’t need them and could throw them out. I told him to get lost (OK, maybe I shouldn't have said that, but I was frustrated) and why didn’t he focus on his own stuff? Why throw out something of mine when he has all his own stuff to tidy?

He’s been in a sulk since, saying I was rude and he’s upset. But this is clear to me: he was wrong. The cards were doing no harm in a drawer. Why didn’t he tidy his own stuff away instead of focusing on mine, that wasn’t even in his way??

I can honestly count on one hand the number of times in 20 years he’s thought about tidying anything.

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Gingernaut · 12/12/2021 18:54

You both sound as bad as each other.

He doesn't want to clear his stuff away and distracts himself with your stuff and you could have dealt with the purse crap, didn't and still haven't.

What's your stuff doing in his office space anyway?

showmethemoneyplease · 12/12/2021 19:21

My stuff wasn't in his office! The drawer he was looking in was in our dining room sideboard.

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lucascriesalot · 12/12/2021 19:23

Not sure why the state of his office has anything to do with you. Just don't go in. If it's a shared office then fair enough if all the mess is his but you called it his office.

IncompleteSenten · 12/12/2021 19:26

I'd have pointed out the same tbh. When he sorts out his own crap then he can have an opinion on yours.

Sideswiped · 12/12/2021 19:30

Offer to go through your cards and throw any old ones away on the condition he does the same with the garages and the room?

showmethemoneyplease · 12/12/2021 19:39

It is his office but it's also a room in our house. If I let a room get so messy I'd expect h to tell me if he didn't like it.

I was pissed off that he chose to get rid of something of mine rather than something of his! He has form for this - complaining about how many books I have, while ignoring all the piles of his stuff...

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lucascriesalot · 12/12/2021 21:30

@showmethemoneyplease

It is his office but it's also a room in our house. If I let a room get so messy I'd expect h to tell me if he didn't like it.

I was pissed off that he chose to get rid of something of mine rather than something of his! He has form for this - complaining about how many books I have, while ignoring all the piles of his stuff...

You say 'our' house - that implies you own it together, so why should you have final say over how he keeps the office? If you don't go in there, just make sure the door is kept closed. You won't see the mess. Problem solved.
toomuchfaster · 12/12/2021 21:39

Yep, I hear you @showmethemoneyplease DH has stuff everywhere in our house, including one sofa we can't sit on as its buried. But his focus is the mug cupboard! We have too many, door won't shut, it needs sorting. Except the door does shut if you push the ones at the back to the back and we actually don't have too many if we have more than just us for a cuppa!

CheddarGorgeous · 12/12/2021 21:39

Did posters miss when OP wrote We have two garages and they’re both full of his crap. He never sees mess or suggest tidying anything – I always have to nag him into doing it.?

So it's okay for him to fill up a whole room and two garages with crap but OP is "equally bad" because of a handful of out of date credit cards in a drawer?

I don't think so.

ChocolateRiver · 12/12/2021 22:12

OP I’m with you. The office mess and garage mess would drive me mad too. He was just distracting himself with the cards because it’s an easier job than properly dealing with his own mess.

Janeandjohnny · 12/12/2021 22:17

You both have different values around tidiness.
In my case I learned that my wife cares about tidiness much less than I do. So I can choose to go all out on a battle and have lots of interesting futile promise making or I can decide that if it gives me satisfaction for myself then I should tidy for me.
So now I tidy without any expectation of thanks and its great. Im happy and I dont get resentful. Takes effort tho. I learned that I cant impose my thoughts on her.
Her office is so untidy it looks like there's been a break in but thats her way of working. So in short - your husbands office is none of your business.

Santahatesbraisedcabbage · 12/12/2021 22:19

So he tried to deflect his mess into making it about your mess...
Tell him a skip is booked for next week end...
And mean it.

steppemum · 12/12/2021 22:19

well it is obvious he is a bit of a hoarder, and it would drive me mad too.

and no, 2 garages and an office is not the same as a handful of old cards in a drawer.

But my dh's office is a nightmare. The printer (which I use a lot) used to be in there, but I couldn't stand having to negotiate his mess to get to it, so it is now elsewhere. But it is HIS office. I don;t clean it, don't go in there and have nothing to do with it. he can keep his space as he likes. In the same way I have 2 cupboards full of work stuff which he doesn't go near and would ask me if he need anything.

It is OK to have your own space within a house.

JingleJingleAllTheWay · 12/12/2021 22:20

Thing is, you sound like a hypocrite to be honest. You have no leg to stand on telling him to tidy up when you've cluttered a draw for 2 years.

Also, you were definitely rude. Own it and apologise and let him know how you feel about his mess in an adult way..

InnPain · 12/12/2021 22:43

I’m with you OP, yes it may be HIS office but it’s BOTH of your house and rightly so it should bother you if one room is filled with crap to the point you have to step over stuff to get to the door. Sounds like your H was trying to avoid starting a clear out on his own stuff. Apologise for your choice of words and if he continues to sulk, let him.

I just hope he starts cleaning pronto…

QuinceTamarillo · 12/12/2021 22:55

He is wrong; it makes no sense for him to go through things that are specifically yours and ask you about each item. Even if it's not a privacy issue for you, it's two people doing the job of one with him adding no value. Plus if it was all items from your purse, it wasn't taking up a lot of space. I'd have taken the bundle from him and whisked it away, no discussion.

On the other hand, if he's the only one regularly using the office I'd focus first on having him clean his clutter from common areas where it's causing issues for the whole household - unless you think the mess in his office is a health or safety hazard. If his fuss over the cards and receipts seemed unusual for him, maybe he is retaliating for (what he perceives as) your nagging him about his personal space/things?

RufustheFloralmissingreindeer · 12/12/2021 23:00

@CheddarGorgeous

Did posters miss when OP wrote We have two garages and they’re both full of his crap. He never sees mess or suggest tidying anything – I always have to nag him into doing it.?

So it's okay for him to fill up a whole room and two garages with crap but OP is "equally bad" because of a handful of out of date credit cards in a drawer?

I don't think so.

Absolutely agree

And I don’t take messy rooms from my children I certainly wouldn’t take it from my husband

showmethemoneyplease · 12/12/2021 23:08

@JingleJingleAllTheWay

Thing is, you sound like a hypocrite to be honest. You have no leg to stand on telling him to tidy up when you've cluttered a draw for 2 years.

Also, you were definitely rude. Own it and apologise and let him know how you feel about his mess in an adult way..

Lol, a few cards in a drawer? And the rest of the drawer is joint clutter? And I've cleared out those drawers in the last 20 years - dh hasn't!

One drawer is nowhere near as bad as a cluttered room 😂🙄

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