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Help - 5 year old behaviour

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atmywitsend1990 · 19/11/2021 16:35

I’ll try not to write an essay in my OP but will cover the main points…I’m looking to hear advice from other parents who are going through or went through something similar with their child(ren).

We are struggling with our 5 year old daughter’s behaviour. She’s an only child. Usually she is very kind and sweet, gets on well with other children, is well behaved at school and is a pleasure to be around. She’s intelligent, but (I think) is very anxious and can struggle to concentrate and listen and express her feelings (in an age appropriate way). She doesn’t struggle socially and makes friends easily. She’s a model pupil at school but lets loose when she gets home.

She had a lot of tantrums as a toddler. Her language skills are good and always have been. The tantrums have lessened somewhat but she now has more what I’d describe as emotional outbursts that she can’t seem to control. We’re starting to think she might have emotional or behavioural issues.

She recently started school, which she does genuinely enjoy but is a big transition, so of course her behaviour has worsened in the last few months. This is usually triggered by tiredness and gets worse towards the end of the week.

These “outbursts” are entirely want directed (it’s not an autistic sensory meltdown) – either they happen because she has to do something she doesn’t want to, can’t have something she wants, has to come inside from playing outside, time to leave an event, say goodbye to friends etc. she will complain if you tell her “no” calmly and rationally, and this will gradually escalate into a screaming crying fit with her sobbing saying she can’t calm down. She’s not violent but she’ll throw things around, cling to your legs etc. This happens at home and in public, but of course never at school!

The usual background factors to the outbursts as you might expect are tiredness and hunger, so if she looks like she’s starting to get upset I check if she’s hungry (she’s fed regularly don’t worry!) and sometimes having a small snack can completely change her behaviour.

I know you will probably judge me, but when she gets extremely upset like this the only thing that will calm her down is using a dummy for a short period. Literally nothing else will work, and the choice is either give her the dummy for a bit or she will work herself up so much for over an hour and she’ll make herself sick. I’ve tried cuddles, talking, leaving her to it, time out etc. nothing works.

We’ve tried various things like taking things away as punishment, rewarding good behaviour with reward charts and treats (works for about a week and that’s it), we’ve tried being calm, ignoring bad behaviour and rewarding good, talking about feelings, but absolutely nothing works.

We don’t give in to her tantrums. So it’s not that either. She has a stable home with lots of love and affection.

She doesn’t care if her friends see her having a meltdown and she doesn’t care about consequences. I really don’t know how to manage this. I just want her to be happy. Her behaviour is also putting a big strain on us as parents.

I am waiting for another month or two to pass to speak to our GP, as I believe if I do anything now I will be fobbed off as she recently started school and they will just say she’s adjusting to school. Whilst this is somewhat true, I can tell there is a bigger issue going on.

Any help or experience of this much appreciated. Thanks.

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atmywitsend1990 · 20/11/2021 07:19

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Sendhelp2021 · 25/11/2021 22:18

Hi,

Can’t help you sadly but I am experiencing something very similar with my son aged 5 (also just gone into year 1).

He does all the things you’ve stated and is the same at school. The smallest thing can cause an absolute meltdown, he will calm down eventually but it takes a lot.
I’ve tried everything I can think of but still no progress - his teacher is sure he will grow out of it but I’m not convinced.
It is so tiring isn’t it?! Feeling for you. Every day is a constant battle/drama.

He was like it as a toddler but not quite as extreme as he is now which is why I’m sure it’s not something he’ll grow out of if it’s happening more often than ever. It’s so hard to understand and to not suppress their feelings, but it really is so difficult when the things they are upset about are things that we have to do i.e leave somewhere, brush teeth, get dressed, come inside ... the list goes on.

How is she with her friends, do she get upset over small things with them?

Sorry I can’t help, but know your not alone!

SaveWaterDrinkGin · 25/11/2021 22:27

I think you’re massively downplaying the effect that starting school will have had on her.

After a whole day of being good, doing as she’s told, lining up, listening, following rules, sitting in a certain place, putting her hand up, sharing toys etc she will be emotionally and physically shattered. Home is her safe place where she can let it all out. Please don’t punish her for that.

A very early tea followed by lots of cuddles and chill out time and bed at 6.30pm was the only way we got through the first term of reception.

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HalfShrunkMoreToGo · 25/11/2021 22:30

Do you count her down and clearly lay out the plan? We found with DD at that age that if we said, ok time to leave the park now we'd have chaos.

If we said In 10 mins we'll be leaving the park.............in 5 minutes we'll be leaving the park, pick the 2 things you want to do before we go...........
in 3 minutes we'll be leaving so move onto the last thing you want to do.........ok final minute then we're leaving...........DD it's time to go, come on.

The countdown worked, she had time to accustom herself to leaving.

We did the same thing at the beginning of the day, 'The plan for today is to have breakfast, get dressed then go to the supermarket, after the supermarket we'll come home for a bit and play then have lunch.'

And just reiterate that plan at each stage so that she knew what was coming.

Mischance · 25/11/2021 22:35

Dummy - if it works and helps her, why withhold that? She will grow out of it.

We all need comfort sometimes when we feel overwrought - if it helps her I would go with it for now.

Dummy and a cuddle - she really is only small. She will be frightening herself with her lack of control, and these things will help her settle.

Waterlemon · 25/11/2021 23:04

Your description of he triggers sounds like they occur when she has a loss of control - Eg being directed to do something, transitions, which to me suggests her behaviour is driven by anxiety.

PDA comes To mind - (Pathological Demand Avoidance)
With PDA, demands of all types, including lots of things that you might not think of as a demand, can trigger an automatic threat or anxiety response and a feeling of panic can rapidly set in.

However, even if she has very few/none of the PDA traits, I think Some of the strategies On this sheet would be useful to use, particularly watching the language That You use to disguise any direct demands and enable your dd to still have some control/choice about the situation.

www.pdasociety.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Helpful-approaches-for-parents-and-carers.pdf

Notashandyta · 25/11/2021 23:11

Tired. Only 5 years old. Totally normal. Will grow out of it. Try not to overthink it. Show love and be patient

Phoenix76 · 25/11/2021 23:20

I’ll be honest with you op, this has been my experience with my dds. Dd1 (now 8) but to a lesser extent than dd2 (will be 6 in February). Even dd1 will struggle with her emotions a couple of times a month and has what can only be described as toddler tantrums. Dd2, omg she’s exactly like your dd except the frequency is reducing. I think that we bear the brunt of it because they feel safe to just let all the emotions out. I’m embarrassed to say I was always worried about taking dd2 out as she too didn’t care about causing a massive scene in public when things weren’t going her way. Once she’d calmed down (also with the help of a dummy when needed ) we’d calmly talk about it and I’d explain in an age appropriate way why her behaviour wasn’t acceptable while reminding her how much she’s loved (now she’s an absolute delight to take out). Same as you, school reported she’s brilliant at school (although her first report from school wasn’t as amazing). I do think that the pandemic has taken a massive toll on kids mh because as much as we try to not make it a massive deal you can’t escape it (news, school, shops etc) they just can’t process the emotions (heck a lot of us adults can’t either). So, in summary, from what you’ve written here I have to say she’s normal. Just continue to let her know she’s loved and safe and I reckon she’ll come out of it.

Sendhelp2021 · 25/11/2021 23:30

The countdown doesn’t work for my son. It actually makes it worse, it gets him in a flap. He will go into a meltdown as soon as we say however many minutes we have left, he will then spend the rest of the duration sobbing and trying to run away.

He is so easily offended as well. And if things aren’t done how they are supposed to be he’s very quick to let people know.

I am so worried that it will continue and affect any friendships he has. I notice a lot of kids trying to avoid him in the playground in the morning and it breaks my heart. He loves people and will try to talk to everyone.

Sorry, just blabbing on your thread.

Mummyof287 · 30/05/2022 20:43

Hey- found this thread whilst looking for support posts in relation to our struggles with DD who is a similar age to yours (5 in March and started school September last year) she struggles alot with behaviour at home and school...very impulsive, constantly 'wired', easily distracted and very emotional (only at home though) winds up/hurts/pesters other children/us for a 'reaction' which she then finds funny.
She is very uptight and partricular about alot of things, and struggles to understand some social concepts such as not playing too rough or understanding others may not always want to follow her play ideas.
She has been referred to the paediatric neurodevelopmental clinic for assessment.
We do find that high caffeine (chocolate) /sugar foods seem to make her alot worse.

Just wondered how things have turned out for you? X

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