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Dirty washing machine in new rental, help me!

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MoveInNightmare · 05/11/2021 14:24

Hoping someone on mumsnet can provide me with words of wisdom.

We've just moved house to a new rental. Generally the house is nice and in pretty good condition but the washing machine seal is just thick with dirt, grime and limescale build up. It's a really old machine and it has that eggy aroma of a mouldy machine

I've spent about 4 hours trying to clean the seal, I've used mould remover, vinegar, baking soda, soda crystals. I've got a lot of it off but still evertime I run a cloth around the seal it comes out grimy. I'm not comfortable washing my clothes in there when it's still so grimy. And I'm also quite annoyed at how long I'm spending sorting it out

The landlord said they would replace the seal, but then turned around and said it was just staining. Even let themselves in to the property without us knowing to do one of their own washes to prove it was just staining which is a whole other thread

Wondering if anyone can give any advice. I'm at a bit of a loose end, I'm loath to replace the machine when the landlord has behaved like such a twat but I don't have the time to spend hours trying to get it clean, and I don't want to wash my clothes in a dirty machine! Help me!

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DobbyTheHouseElk · 05/11/2021 18:55

Why should the OP have to work hard to clean a shitty machine? Her LL should either take it away or provide a cleaner useable machine.

As a LL I’d never ask someone to use a shitty machine. Also as a LL I’ve seen the state people leave places, so can well imagine why it’s in that state.

NigellaAwesome · 05/11/2021 21:18

I agree Dobby, I am a landlord myself and have always ensured any appliances are clean.

But it is clear in this case that the LL isn't interested, so I think a steam cleaner is a good suggestion in the circumstances. Surely better to try to get the machine in a usable state rather than the throwaway alternative?

Interestingly, a friend of mine who is also a LL has said that she has moved to renting out properties with no white goods as they are too much of a hassle. I am beginning to agree - in one property alone in the last 12 - 18 months I have installed 2 brand new washing machines, 1 new dishwasher, and have had to get the dishwasher repaired (of course only just out of warranty).

Djifunrsn · 05/11/2021 21:24

I would pay someone privately from your own money and get the seal replaced by a decent appliance repair person. It’s going to cost less than wrecking stuff.

The last thing I could suggest is the pink stuff paste and a toothbrush. I did mine with that, but clearly it was very lightly dirty compared to yours. I would also run a proper washing machine cleaning product through. Vinegar and baking soda might just neutralise each other if you used them together.

WombatChocolate · 06/11/2021 09:37

Of course a provided machine should be clean and fit for purpose.

Op seems to suggest she has spent hours cleaning this seal and it is still caked in dirt. The dirt will either come off or it won’t. If she has spent hours on it already, then it’s either just stained, but no longer dirty, or it’s an unremovable dirt. We cannot tell. People do have different tolerances for things like dirt or staining and what one person will happily accept as a used item that isn’t pristine but usable, another will describe as disgusting. That’s another reason why lots of LLs don’t provide white goods…lots of people really do want new and don’t like pre-used goods and want the LL to magically make them look new. Of course there are shit LLs too who provide inadequate white goods and aren’t interested in dealing with them not working etc.

I maintain that the approach to take wit the LL if you want action, is to not talk about the seal or the dirt…quite simply to focus on it not cleaning clothes as is the purpose of washing machines. If the LL provided a machine as part of the contract, it must clean clothes. If it doesn’t at the start if tenancy they will need to sort it out, whatever that means. If the item is stained in tenants view but perfectly workable, there is more scope for dispute about whether there is a genuine issue which needs addressing, or it’s a matter of different tolerances over used goods.

If you want the LL to take action, just tell him clothes don’t come clean with it. If you aren’t prepared to say that, and you aren’t happy with the seal, then it might fall to you to do something about it and replace it (I’d think this is actually what LL will do if you focus on it NOT WASHING rather than being dirty) or to choose to get your own machine.

So I’d say, with being a tenant, you both have to be firm and clear about items that don’t work which are the LLs responsibility to provide and to fix, and also a bit proactive in sorting out some basic things yourself. For example, I knew a LL who said the tenant rang late at night when bulbs had blown, when the key was stiff in the door and needed a squirt of WD40 and about a solitary broken curtain hook.

I totally agree that the LL should supply what is in the contract and it should be in good working order. Challenge it, if it isn’t. Also be prepared to address yourself little things, that are either a question of taste and tolerance, or are minor minor home maintenance like bulbs, rather than behaving like a child with a LL parent.

It’s hard to see from a thread like this, if this is a question if something not working, or tolerance of used condition. Op says the item is disgusting and dirty. She also says she has spent hours already cleaning it and it’s still dirty - so on one level she felt she shouldn’t have to do this (understandable) but on the other hand, has out the work into it, although it doesn’t seem to have worked enough. It’s unclear if this really is an item that can come clean whether it’s by her or someone else’s effort, or if this will be the solution anyway. But she doesn’t seem to want to take the route of ‘it doesn’t wash properly so doesn’t work’ - this would be the simplest way to get the LL to come and look again and resolve it.

MoveInNightmare · 06/11/2021 10:51

@WombatChocolate you appear to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder. Are you my landlord? Grin I've never once asked a landlord to change a bulb. I'm not new to renting. And I am not behaving like a child with a landlord parent. I've rented for over 10 years at this point, I don't need advise on how to be a Tennant thankyou. The fact that some Tennant somewhere asked a landlord about a broken curtain hook is irrelevent to my question.

As I have said, my original request was the landlord replaced the seal. Because I think it is past the point really where cleaning will save it. As the landlord has refused I have tried myself to clean it to an acceptable standard. As I said it's not just staining as a cloth is coming up still brown

I will try again with the landlord but I don't have much hope, the landlord has already let themselves into the property to do their own wash to prove it works. So I doubt me sending a photo saying it doesn't wash properly will be of much use hence, hence why I have started a thread for advise. If it were my machine I would probably replace it at this stage, it's a model that was last made in 2006 so its not a new machine. Or have not let it get to this stage in the first place. Its not my machine and so I am stuck cleaning it. It is not that simple to replace the seal, which is something I have looked into, and I don't want to break the machine in doing it and get charged for a whole new machine. I think I will have to pay someone to do this, I suspect the landlord also realised this hence why they turned around 5 days after agreeing to replace the seal. If I am paying someone to change the seal I'd probably rather pay for a new machine, but I don't really want to improve the property because of the way the landlord has behaved.

And yes I am uncomfortable using a washing machine that is dirty. Just because something is used does not mean it should be dirty, the landlord could easily have turned around and charged the previous Tennant for cleaning it. But now we are stuck spending time and money getting it up to scratch, the property is above market rate for the area and is supposed to be of a high standard. I know white goods can be tricky, but we have rented a property with white goods in and they should therefore be up to an acceptable standard.

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theneverendinglaundry · 06/11/2021 11:03

Did the LL do a check in inventory with you? It can be tricky getting things like this resolved when you've accepted the inventory and how things are listed. You have my sympathy OP, as a long term renter I know it is really shitty when this kind of thing crops up.

I guess the LL is going to do bugger all until the ancient machine finally conks out and dies. I think in your situation I would ask him to remove it so you can get your own.

WombatChocolate · 06/11/2021 11:23

Of course a LL shouldn’t enter your property (I hope you’ve pointed that out to them - the need for 24 hours notice and your permission) and of course the products they provide should work.

You asked for a seal replacement. It’s not the same as saying the machine doesn’t wash. You say the LL won’t respond if you say it doesn’t wash, but you haven’t actually pursued that avenue with them. I have said that multiple times. It is the most likely thing to give you the result you want.

I absolutely agree that the property shouldn’t be let with a dirty machine. It is also a fact that ‘dirt’ is an ongoing bone of contention between LLs and tenants. LLs complain tenants leave properties ‘dirty’ and want to withhold some of their deposit, when tenants say they were thoroughly cleaned, and tenants say the property was dirty when they arrived, whilst LLs say it was in a good state. It is an ongoing area of friction. Sometimes there is a categorical answer of who is right, and sometimes there isn’t.

I hope you are able to tell your LL that the machine does not clean clothes and your contract includes a washing machine that does this. I hope them that the LL sorts it out, in terms of providing a machine that cleans clothes - either the current one with a replaced seal or other parts, or a new machine. I hope that they can be made to understand they can’t come round like they did. Good luck op.

MoveInNightmare · 06/11/2021 13:05

@theneverendinglaundry no they didnt. They did the inventory before we moved in, we spent 2 weeks chasing it as well. The inventory does actually say the machine is dirty but there's no pictures of the seal. We haven't accepted any inventory that says the washing machine was in good condition

I think I'm going to go to the landlord and say we will replace the machine and they can either keep theirs in storage or rent the property without a machine (and therefore the hastle) or get a new one when we move out. Feel this is just the simplest way. A new machine isn't too expensive and for the sake of my sanity and my whites it's worth it Grin

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