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14DD has called herself 'mediocre at everything'.

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AnotheChinHair · 01/11/2021 06:50

Her self esteem is incredibly low. She thinks she's not very good at anything really, and has no idea what to do as a job. This has been going on for 3 years now. We have tried everything we can think of, like positive talking, encouraging her to try new things, reassuring her that she doesn't need to know what job she's going to do because she has plenty of time to figure it out, highlighting evidence to the contrary of what she's saying, talking to her school, counsellors... at one point she saw an educational psychologist who suggested the possibility of inattentive adhd which sounds very plausible. Knowing this was helpful for all of us to understand her difficulties with procrastination and organisation. We have put systems in place to help her, like work only spaces in her room, private tutoring, timetables... we try to do this collaboratively so that she's part of the solution and we're not imposing things on her.

The bit I find the hardest is that she pretty much wants to do nothing to help herself. She's worried about her violin exam but won't practise, ever; and I do mean never ever. We tell her that we're going to stop paying for lessons if she doesn't practise, she gets upset, so we continue because we want her to have something she enjoys, and even if she doesn't practise that's fine, but then she puts herself through the agony of performing in front of others/exams (we do not ask her to do this), does badly, feels crap about herself. It's almost like she self-sabotages, sets herself up for failure to reinforce what she thinks of herself.

Food. She hates her body so will hide it behind baggy clothes, but will also refuse to exercise or improve her diet. I do get this, I really do. I have had my fair share of emotional eating.

She doesn't enjoy any subjects. She says she's just going through the motions in Y10 and Y11 until she can get rid of most of her subjects. But she also hates some of the ones she'll be left with. She has known she has 5 exams this week for a while, but she only started revising yesterday.

Everything she does seems like an effort to reinforce that she's dumb. For what it's worth, she's anything but. Admittedly she is not academic and maths/science is a real challenge to her, but she's extremely intuitive and intelligent.

We have tried different approaches like being involved in her organisation (she resents this massively), leaving her to it so that she builds her own desire to do well (almost 4 years and this hasn't happened, things are going from bad to worse - she was consistently top sets in primary), paying for private counselling, encouraging her to join activities outside of school. We are constantly met with resistance and a complete unwillingness to accept help or help herself.

I don't know how to help her. I appreciate that her lack of self esteem is behind this, but it is really hard to stand and watch her do nothing about it. Any thoughts?

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Oblomov21 · 01/11/2021 09:48

Get yourself onto the SN boards, ask for help there, they are fab. You can 'try' and set up all the things that a SN child needs , or at least try to install things, right away, that at least might help her a tiny bit?

KangarooSally · 01/11/2021 09:52

If you can't get her involved in going to a psychologist I suggest you go for yourselves, to learn how to help her. Things you are doing currently won't help and will make it worse. Eg trying to convince her she is great if she feels she isn't. Her reaction is to be defensive, because it seems like you don't understand, and to prove to you and herself she is useless by further sabotaging herself. As they are only words, and words can be lies. As someone says above you have to let her discover for herself she has value, by asking her advice, wanting to spend time with her, asking what she thinks about something on the news and listening to the response, things like that.

Also about ADD, there are strategies that can help with feeling like you really really need to do something that's very urgent and if you don't your life will fall apart, and yet feeling paralysed and unable to do it. It is very stressful. You can break the task into the most minuscule of pieces, and do just one while convincing yourself that's all you have to do, and daydreaming a bit while you do it so you trick your mind into thinking you're not really doing it and calming it down. She probably won't get any of the first couple of tasks done that she approaches this way but maybe she'll do one of them one day. I find the combination the only way to get some things done in my life. If you can get her diagnosed then you can access better and more targeted therapy that can help teach her helpful tricks (as well as get medication which might reduce the problems in the first place)

EvilPea · 01/11/2021 09:56

The loss of the Saturday job has a lot to answer for. It would have been perfect, never something you “want” to do. But a good toe dip into the world of work, reward, doing a good job and how to talk to people.

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Oblomov21 · 01/11/2021 11:13
  1. Is she actually SELF -AWARE that she struggles to focus and complete? That's the first task, to acknowledge. what has she tried so far? Does she have a book that she can write the distracting thought down, so she can return to it later, and then gat back to the job in hand, in the lesson? Would that help?

2)What is the teacher doing? Keeping eye contact, checking she's still doing the task?

Does the teacher acknowledge and respect that she is not a linear thinker and no point trying to convert her to one?

AnotheChinHair · 01/11/2021 17:37

Thanks again everyone, this is really helpful.
@Oblomov21, teachers don't see an issue, they have no idea she's daydreaming instead of listening.
DD is aware that she procrastinates and her organisation is terrible. She is very self-aware.

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Oblomov21 · 01/11/2021 18:40

'Teachers don't see an issue'. FFS how many times have we heard that before on the SN boards!

So what are you planning on doing about that?

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