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Women and male strategic incompetence

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PackedintheUK · 15/10/2021 16:21

Grrr.

I've spent 20 years training bringing up sons to be decent functioning adults, capable of taking care of themselves. For example, they've stripped their own beds weekly since they were 5yo (inspired parenting btw, I have never handled a teenage boys' sheets Grin), they cook regularly, they've had step by step bathroom cleaning instructions on their phones since 10yo and used them often.

They've also had to deal with the natural consequences of being "forgetful" whether that was homework, getting somewhere on time or putting fuel in the car.

They can do it and they do, most of the time, at home.

However DS1, I'll admit can be lazy and if he thinks he'll get away with it he will. I've noticed that his girlfriend and her mother rather than finding it annoying when he "forgets" or "needs" help with basic things find it endearing.

"Aw bless he needs a woman's touch"

"What are you like? Give it here."

And all the domestic admin, remembering birthdays and appointments, organising trips or nights out. He did fine on his own, but now he has these two women organising him.

Why do women do this?

Of course it's appalling that he lets them, but I think we'd all take the easy life if we were being encouraged to do so? In some ways I worry for him that he's become so passive.

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TheWoleb · 15/10/2021 16:23

What have you said to him?

PackedintheUK · 15/10/2021 16:25

@TheWoleb

What have you said to him?
Tou want to make it my fault that he's behaving exactly the way his GF wants him to? Grin
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Hobbes8 · 15/10/2021 16:26

So it’s a woman’s job to make him a functioning adult and then a woman’s fault when he voluntarily decides not the be one?

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TheWoleb · 15/10/2021 16:27

@TheWoleb

No. You're making it the fault of his girlfriend and her mum. It isnt. This is him. You're his parent. What have you said about it, to him, not to people on mumsnet.

PlanDeRaccordement · 15/10/2021 16:28

Why do women do this?

Some women like the control that comes with the added responsibilities. It can be hard for some women to let go and not micromanage some things, especially child care but even small things. I have to admit I have to physically restrain myself from unloading and reloading the dishwasher when DH has done it as his method is completely different to mine and even now my brain is going “nooo. It’s not right, fix it”. But objectively the dishes get just as clean his way or my way.

PackedintheUK · 15/10/2021 16:28

@Hobbes8

So it’s a woman’s job to make him a functioning adult and then a woman’s fault when he voluntarily decides not the be one?
Well it's his parents' job to make him a functioning adult and I'm what he has.

I don't think he has "voluntarily" decided not to be. I think he's given GF what she wants.

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TheWoleb · 15/10/2021 16:28

@Hobbes8

It's a parent's job to make him a functioning adult and, if he still lives at home, it is a parent's job to pull him up for it when he starts acting like a helpless child.

TheWoleb · 15/10/2021 16:31

So two posts of yours entirely blame his girlfriend. A woman. Not him, the man, the one behaving this way.

Hmm. I wonder where your son got his misogyny from.

PackedintheUK · 15/10/2021 16:31

@PlanDeRaccordement

Why do women do this?

Some women like the control that comes with the added responsibilities. It can be hard for some women to let go and not micromanage some things, especially child care but even small things. I have to admit I have to physically restrain myself from unloading and reloading the dishwasher when DH has done it as his method is completely different to mine and even now my brain is going “nooo. It’s not right, fix it”. But objectively the dishes get just as clean his way or my way.

This is my mother actually. Dad doesn't do anything, which he gets a lot of criticism from my sister for, but actually I've come to realise mum doesn't let him. As Dad says, he hasn't been married for more than 50 years without knowing what mum wants .
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Hobbes8 · 15/10/2021 16:31

@TheWoleb so why is the OP blaming his girlfriend?

Hobbes8 · 15/10/2021 16:32

@TheWoleb cross-post. As you were.

PackedintheUK · 15/10/2021 16:34

[quote TheWoleb]@Hobbes8

It's a parent's job to make him a functioning adult and, if he still lives at home, it is a parent's job to pull him up for it when he starts acting like a helpless child.[/quote]
Really? He doesn't behave like a helpless child for any dealings with me, believe me.

Why is it mysogonistic for me to suggest the GF is encouraging this, but not for you to tell me it's down to me to set him straight?

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TheWoleb · 15/10/2021 16:36

Because he's your family. She isnt. If this was my son either me or his dad would say, "what the hell are you playing at? Stop acting like a toddler and get your own stuff/do your own thinking."

You're the parent. Be the parent.

Hobbes8 · 15/10/2021 16:36

I didn’t tell you it’s down to you to set him straight.

PackedintheUK · 15/10/2021 16:38

@TheWoleb

Because he's your family. She isnt. If this was my son either me or his dad would say, "what the hell are you playing at? Stop acting like a toddler and get your own stuff/do your own thinking."

You're the parent. Be the parent.

He's a grown man, she's his partner of almost a year. She's more his family than I am now. I'm no interfering MIL.
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WorraLiberty · 15/10/2021 16:39

I don't think he has "voluntarily" decided not to be. I think he's given GF what she wants.

He's given her what 'she' wants voluntarily, because he's happy to be waited on.

Fair enough, it's their relationship and therefore nothing to do with anyone else as long as they're truly happy.

A lot of women are great at DIY, sorting technology and maintaining their cars but that doesn't mean they're not happy to let their DPs do it.

Let them get on with it. You've done your bit as a parent and some couples are just happy this way.

PlanDeRaccordement · 15/10/2021 16:39

Theres no need to be casting blame anywhere. Different couples agree on different divisions of labour. If the DS is happy to have his social calendar managed solely by his GF to include birthdays and she is perfectly happy doing this, then it’s not our place to judge or to be appalled at the situation.

50/50 doesn’t mean every task must be divided in half. It simply means equal distribution of labour between partners. There are a million different ways to do this. You can share tasks, you can let go or take over other tasks completely. The point is that both partners should feel satisfied with the arrangement and not taken advantage of/for granted.

PackedintheUK · 15/10/2021 16:39

@Hobbes8

I didn’t tell you it’s down to you to set him straight.
it is a parent's job to pull him up for it when he starts acting like a helpless child. Confused
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Hobbes8 · 15/10/2021 16:41

I didn’t say that.

Hobbes8 · 15/10/2021 16:44

...but if I had, which I definitely didn’t, parent is a gender neutral term, so I’m not sure how it can be deemed misogynistic

SleepingStandingUp · 15/10/2021 16:50

There different points.

Who's fault is it he's stood there going "oh glly I don't know how to do it" and then letting another adult do it for him? His.

Would the gf and MIL be so willing to do it for them if the DS was female? If not, why do some women feel obliged to step in and up when a man declares he can't do something? Or why do some women take over and assume that their way is right, they'll free better at it etc.

Redcrayons · 15/10/2021 17:11

I think some women are socialised to behave like this. My mum was in charge of everything and despite me be annoyed at how strategically helpless my dad was, I did the same thing when I first moved in with my exH. I turned into a stepford wife and did everything. He was quite lazy and so was very happy to let me crack on.

It was impossible to unpick.

There’s a definitely a type of man who plays into the ‘she’s the boss’ thing, and a type of woman who fall into the ‘mum’ role too easily.

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