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Rubbish punishment for luring Olly Stephens to his death.

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Mariell · 24/09/2021 17:56

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10025453/Schoolgirl-14-lured-13-year-old-boy-park-stabbed-death-locked-up.html

All three should receive the same punishment.

Three years is disgusting as she was the one that lured him knowing that he would be attacked.

Hard labour for twenty years in Siberia would be a more fitting punishment for the three of them.

OP posts:
Amy888 · 24/09/2021 19:18

Such a sad case. In America, a 15 year old girl named Amber Wright did a very similar thing and lured a teenage boy to his death. She got life in prison without parole. Our justice system is so different.

toolazytothinkofausername · 24/09/2021 19:20

This is beyond devastating. I've been crying about this most of the afternoon/evening.

People with Autism are so vulnerable, and the sentences do not reflect this.

dworky · 24/09/2021 19:26

@the80sweregreat

It is an absolute travesty. Rip Olly Stephens, such a sad case.
Absolute nonsense. Read 'Eve was framed' by Helena Kennedy QC
ChateauMargaux · 24/09/2021 19:35

She didn't kill him.

HereForThis · 24/09/2021 19:36

Oh they knew what they were doing alright. Evil bastards! Killing someone in cold blood for absolutely no reason!

Has anyone cited 'mental illness' for her/them yet?

toolazytothinkofausername · 24/09/2021 19:37

@ChateauMargaux

She didn't kill him.
She lured him to his death. She may not have been holding the weapon, but she knew she was leading him to danger.
HereForThis · 24/09/2021 19:38

I agree OP @Mariell She should be locked away for much longer. Sick evil children.

Poor Olly and his family. Just so wrong!

mbosnz · 24/09/2021 19:40

The thing is, that people can only be charged, prosecuted and convicted, for the actual legal crime they have committed.

In sentencing, there are factors that need to be considered, such as youth, and early guilty plea.

drpet49 · 24/09/2021 19:40

Oh they knew what they were doing alright. Evil bastards! Killing someone in cold blood for absolutely no reason!

^This. All 3 are evil. Shouldn’t be let out again.

Idyllic · 24/09/2021 19:41

A life sentence should mean life.
The girl in this case got off extremely lightly. Disgusting.

The criminal justice system in the UK is a joke. Far too lenient.

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MichelleScarn · 24/09/2021 22:21

the80sweregreat

It is an absolute travesty.
Rip Olly Stephens, such a sad case.

Absolute nonsense. Read 'Eve was framed' by Helena Kennedy QC

Sorry? Absolute nonsense this is a tragic case? Or that's its a travesty that the girl that was instrumental in Olly Stephens being lured to the people who murdered him only got a pathetic years in YO as having to actually face up to actual jail time would be not nice for her?

MichelleScarn · 24/09/2021 22:22

My above post is @dworky

YogaLite · 24/09/2021 22:26

So tragic, cruel and unfair Sad

Just sums up how SEN young people are treated by their peers Sad

Bimblybomeyelash · 24/09/2021 22:27

*In America they have felony murder in some states where they can be convicted of a murder even if they weren’t the direct killer.

Shame we don’t have that here.*

That is just one aspect of the American justice system that I am very grateful NOT to have. I think 3 years is

TooBigForMyBoots · 24/09/2021 22:34

Children are children. They are protected by law because they are recognised as not fully grown.
A 14yo is very different to a 23/37/56yo.

echt · 24/09/2021 23:02

Three years is appalling but no surprise because females always get off lightly

Women get lesser sentences than men because most of their crimes are non-violent.

ftw163532 · 24/09/2021 23:20

Baying for blood hardly gives you the moral high ground.

I had no idea so many members of the Taliban were Mumsnet posters. If you are on here wishing death and suffering upon human beings they are your kin. Is that really the kind of person you want to be? Violent and depraved?

Rehabilitation makes society safer, retribution does not.

MichelleScarn · 24/09/2021 23:24

@ftw163532

Baying for blood hardly gives you the moral high ground.

I had no idea so many members of the Taliban were Mumsnet posters. If you are on here wishing death and suffering upon human beings they are your kin. Is that really the kind of person you want to be? Violent and depraved?

Rehabilitation makes society safer, retribution does not.

Wheres the 'baying for blood' and anything that remotely links to the Taliban? All I've seen is disbelief she got a paltry 3 years YO placement because it.wouldn't be fair for her to go to prison at 18?
HowToMurderYourLife · 24/09/2021 23:34

She came from a good family but was a little brat IMO. I don’t know about the boys and have only heard rumour. What I do know for certain is that there were a lot of lies and rubbish being spread on social media to the extent that it nearly jeopardised the prosecution and the majority of it that I saw was focussed on the girl. Three years does seem short but I can imagine the gap between what was being spread on social media and the truth could explain some of this. Will there be a sentencing report which explains the reasoning?

ThisThreadCouldOutMe · 24/09/2021 23:47

@HowToMurderYourLife

She came from a good family but was a little brat IMO. I don’t know about the boys and have only heard rumour. What I do know for certain is that there were a lot of lies and rubbish being spread on social media to the extent that it nearly jeopardised the prosecution and the majority of it that I saw was focussed on the girl. Three years does seem short but I can imagine the gap between what was being spread on social media and the truth could explain some of this. Will there be a sentencing report which explains the reasoning?
If the rumours are true then one of the boys isn't from a "good" family as it were. He also isn't from an affluent area. (Not sure what that has to do with anything anyway.)

And as I say, if the rumours are true.

wellards · 24/09/2021 23:53

I had no idea so many members of the Taliban were Mumsnet posters. If you are on here wishing death and suffering upon human beings they are your kin. Is that really the kind of person you want to be? Violent and depraved?

I think wanting justice if my child was murdered isn't violent or depraved. Lenient sentences are an insult.

Rehabilitation makes society safer, retribution does not

Well something isn't working as so many repeat offenders. And again if I lose my child then it's not a particular safe society.

MrsAvocet · 25/09/2021 00:01

@Mariell

In America they have felony murder in some states where they can be convicted of a murder even if they weren’t the direct killer.

Shame we don’t have that here.

Well we do don't we? Joint Enterprise? That allows for the conviction of a group of people involved in a killing even if they didn't all physically attack the victim. Though I have a feeling it may not be applicable to children after a case that went to the Court of Appeal a few years ago. I can't remember the details now but there have certainly been some high profile cases where the application of this law has been questioned.
RavingAnnie · 25/09/2021 00:18

I really hate that people forget that children are children when they commit heinous crimes. They are treated differently by the justice system for good reason, because they are children and immature and are liable to make ill-judged, poor decisions.

Although the girl did a truly horrific thing which deserves punishment, she didn't actually kill anyone, hence it makes complete sense that she would receive a lesser sentence. It has nothing to do with her being female or because it "wouldn't be fair" for her to serve time in an adult prison. What may have been a factor is not exposing her to adult prison due to the effect that may have on likelihood of reoffending, and I am glad judges consider issues such as this as sentencing someone is not simply about punishment; I want to live in a safe society so I want to know that attempts are being made to lower recidivism rates.

And FGS please stop saying they are "evil", that's an absolutely ludicrous thing to say. Slapping the "evil" label on people that commit horrific acts prevents us from actually looking at how and why this happened and thinking about what can be done to prevent it happening again.

RoseRedRoseBlue · 25/09/2021 00:27

Well said @RavingAnnie. The use of the term ‘evil’ gives people a completely false sense of security in as much as it means that they, society and others couldn’t have done anything at any point to stop this or similar acts as the die was already cast. It’s a cop out.