In 2009 MN users were discussing giving their kids the swine flu vax. It is a mirror image of the threads that are on here. I wonder if the kids parents that developed Narcolepsy are on this thread?

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There is actually a lot of them tbh. Its fascinating to see the exact same dynamics as is on the covid vax and kids threads.

Here is a link to Narcolepsy UK, it has some information on it.

www.narcolepsy.org.uk/resources/pandemrix-narcolepsy

It was only 12 years ago.

The parents had to drag the Government to High Court three times over a TEN year period to get recognition and compensation for their now teenage kids who can't work, can't have children and can't drive.

These kids had the jabs to protect elderly relatives, to 'do the right thing' and given high risk children.

The UK Health Protection Agency (now Public Health England) undertook a major study of 4- to 18-year-olds and found that around one in every 55,000 jabs led to narcolepsy. Maybe some kids are ok as collateral damage ?

Ive been doubly vax, my kids have all their childhood vax and additional year flu ones. But they won't be having the Covid Vax. No chance - especially when they dont need it. This should still be in peoples minds.

There are already reports of this effecting peoples heart - why push this on to our children when it was months and months before the real data about Pandemrix came out.

Ive posted this because I dont want my choices taken away, If you want your kids to have the vaccine you must advocate for the parents that dont. It must only be an Opt in vaccine and not a mandate which I'm starting to get worried about.

Covid passports were never going to a thing - but now they are.
Parental consent would never be taken away but now it has for children over 12.

I'm worried that the under 12s will be next but it will probably come in the form of - "If your child wants to attend school they have to have it'.

Ive posted this because I dont want my choices taken away, If you want your kids to have the vaccine you must still advocate for the parents that dont. It must only be an Opt in vaccine and not a mandate or forced by liberties taken away.

I highly doubt it'll become mandated when no other childhood vaccines are. Pandemrix was allowed to bypass large scale human trials, the covid vaccines have not been allowed to do this and all stages of the development and trial process were followed (in part due to the lessons learned from Pandemrix).

I applaud you OP!

People are all too quick to be fearful & take risks with their children’s long term health, easily forgetting mistakes made in the past.

I worry about the vaccines becoming mandatory & living in a divided society.

Actually, if you read more into the narcolepsy thing you will see that a lot of experts actually don’t think that it is caused by the vaccine. I forget what it’s called but it’s when one person who has recently had the vaccine happens to be diagnosed with narcolepsy and it gets reported so doctors are looking out for it. Narcolepsy is notoriously hard to diagnose with the average length of diagnosis being 10 years. These scientists believe that sadly these people would have developed narcolepsy anyway, their diagnosis was just accelerated as it was being looked for.

It’s not entirely true to say that children are being vaccinated for the benefit of older people either. On an individual based the benefits of vaccination do slightly outweigh the risks. The jcvi decided there wasn’t quite enough benefit to then recommend vaccination but the CMOs decided that at a population level the disruption and further damage to education caused to education by covid ripping through schools did add further benefit.

There’s probably be less need for vaccination if the government was less hellbent on infecting everyone who wasn’t vaccinated. And let’s not forget that this is a novel virus and we don’t yet know the long term health implications of getting it even mildly. And I’m not talking about long covid necessarily. There are some early studies suggesting changes to blood cells, organ damage and changes in the brain even in those who got it mildly. That may turn out not to be the case with larger future studies, but our current policy is going to turn out to look pretty stupid of in 5-10 years time we end up with a generation of young adults with health issues.

The risks of the vaccine may be unknown, the risks of Covid even less so. If your risk benefit assessment is against vaccination, you definitely shouldn’t be sending your kids to school right now IMHO.

My eldest is 12 in March but I won’t be having him vaccinated. Not anti vax at all, I’m double vaccinated as is DH and DC have their flu jabs every year. I don’t think they need the covid vaccine in all honesty, the percentage of children with severe illness is so small. Think they have more chance of being run over and killed. They don’t need to protect adults who are already vaccinated. Honestly can’t see any reason to vaccinate children at all.

I won't be vaccinating my DC for this. They have had every other vaccination but I'm not confident in this one as I reacted badly to it.
They both had covid and I don't see the point as even when vaccinated you can catch and transmit the virus.
That's my opinion but would fully support my DC if they decided they wanted it and didn't need my consent.