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Ex added GFs Dd to his household to reduce his payments to his children???

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outofservice · 14/09/2021 20:01

How is this possible? We’ve been separated/divorced for 2 years. This is his 3rd GF the kids have met. He moved in with her at the end of last year and I imagine he rents out his house. His payments to our 2 DC were £140, then when they went up to £230 ‘a child in the paying parents household has been added to the case’ and now his payments are £105 per month.
His GFs DD has a dad, my kids have seen him drop her off. Child Maintenance are so hard to get in touch with so hoped someone here might know how he could add her.

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Ohshittt · 14/09/2021 20:04

What an absolute piss take. Especially when they won't take his income into consideration when assessing what the GF EX has to pay for his daughter (not that I think it should in general or I would be one of the people who's income was taken into consideration for a child that's not mine) so how the hell does that work?? I'm livid for you! I really hope you can sort it out, I can imagine it's a worrying amount to lose. Bastard.

Wole · 14/09/2021 20:05

Yes if he lives with another child then the amount he owes in CMS is reduced.

Ligglepiggle · 14/09/2021 20:06

Yes it’s correct although as pp said it’s a massive piss take, it’s the equivalent of resident parent having another with someone else and asking non resident to increase the payments

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moynomore · 14/09/2021 20:08

Just outrageous that this is allowed.

WhatsTheBFD · 14/09/2021 20:11

Yep, 1 child has 3, possibly 4 adults paying for them. Unbelievable.

outofservice · 14/09/2021 20:20

Am so upset he’s done this to my kids. He is still trying to control me and messaged me in June. It read ‘and when I add her kid you’ll get even less’ with a laughing face emoji. He thinks he is paying for my lifestyle, what he doesn’t realise is my lifestyle is running round with the kids all week. It costs me £15 in petrol to take the kids to him EOW.

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TheHouseIsOnFire · 14/09/2021 20:24

It costs me £15 in petrol to take the kids to him EOW. Is this court ordered? If not I’d stop that right now. Tell him you can’t afford the fuel and if he wants to see them he can collect and drop off. Tight fucker.

TheHouseIsOnFire · 14/09/2021 20:26

And then do everything in your power to earn more money so that his paltry contribution doesn’t matter to you. While he still thinks he can control you over money and access then he will. You can step back from his drama by not giving a fuck about his money and not biting if he kicks up a fuss about you not dropping them off.

CiaoForNiao · 14/09/2021 20:29

It's disgusting. My ex phoned me and laughed down the phone when he found out he could reduce his cms because of his step children.

outofservice · 14/09/2021 20:29

No, not court ordered. I’ve told him I’m not bringing them but I’m under the impression that because I moved away, I have to make the journey. Am going to ring Gingerbread for some more advice.

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outofservice · 14/09/2021 20:53

@TheHouseIsOnFire I don’t want his money, I want him to want to support his kids. I told CMS that I wanted to cancel the claim but the nice lady told me my kids are too young9 & 6 and not to make any hasty decisions.

@CiaoForNiao they sound like the same breed our exes. Is he a narcissist by any chance Hmm

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TheHouseIsOnFire · 14/09/2021 21:04

Yea definitely get some advice on that. If it’s a stand you can make then it does even the balance a bit, but will undoubtedly cause a backlash from him. He sounds like a good candidate for “grey rock” though - the type who enjoys causing drama. So the less drama he’s able to cause the better.

I know you don’t want his money as such, you want him to do the right thing by his DCs. But if he doesn’t, and you can get to a place where you don’t need him to, then the power balance returns to you, as you don’t need him, you don’t need any contact with him, and once the DCs are old enough they can manage their own relationship with him without you even needing to be involved. You can’t make him be a good dad, or do the right thing. So all you can do is step away from the conflict.

Imagine a life where they text him directly to confirm when he’s collecting, you kiss them and then busy yourself with something when they leave, so you don’t have to see him or speak to him, he rants about something and you don’t reply, as you owe him nothing.

Maybe have a look at the book called ‘I am the parent who stayed’ by an awesome MNer called Nina Farr. She was an absolute legend throughout her break up with her ex and beyond. She’s gone on to help other women dealing with high conflict exes. She’s great at helping you reset your expectations, and build your confidence to lead your family in your own way. Definitely worth a read.

happinessischocolate · 14/09/2021 21:19

I don’t want his money, I want him to want to support his kids. I told CMS that I wanted to cancel the claim but the nice lady told me my kids are too young9 & 6 and not to make any hasty decisions.

If you can manage without his money then have it paid into a separate savings account and forget about it. Look at it again when the kids are 18.

My ex wouldn't pay, he even gave up jobs each time the CSA caught up with him, and then became self employed. I couldn't cope with the stress and anger that trying to get money from him brought into my life so I stopped. I brought my 2 children up without a penny from him and they know exactly who paid for everything.

outofservice · 14/09/2021 21:40

@TheHouseIsOnFire @happinessischocolate I’m am seriously considering cancelling the CMS agreement. I work hard and am sure I can manage by myself. I spoke to CMS on Friday so still getting my head around things. I’ll take a look at that book. My dcs already have a dumb phone to speak to their dad, had to block him in June after another nasty outburst from him. He won’t tell me where he lives so we meet in a McDonalds car park (I know it’s pathetic) I don’t get out of the car, my DM comes for the drive if there’s been trouble. I only unblocked him 2 weeks ago as DS was poorly, took a week before I got more abusive messages.

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TheHouseIsOnFire · 14/09/2021 21:42

Urgh he’s such a cliche isn’t he. Reblock the cock!

Wole · 14/09/2021 21:55

Don't cancel it. If you don't need it then just save it in an account for them. Try not to show him it's getting to you.

happinessischocolate · 15/09/2021 05:25

Don't cancel it, my ex gloated when he got a letter from CSA saying they'd written off the £50k he owed and would no longer be pursuing it. Shame he did it in front our kids though !!!

Have the money in a separate account, don't check the balance, don't read letters or emails from Cms just act as if it's not there. But if they can get him to pay then let them get on with it, when he and his latest girlfriend split up the money will change again but you'll be stress free and oblivious.

I managed without any money from my ex because they couldn't get him to pay and it just caused stress. I refused to ask him for any, but I wouldn't have cancelled a claim if they were getting him to pay up.

liveforsummer · 15/09/2021 06:54

Yes I had this before I cancelled CMS completely due to the stress it was causing me for no money anyway. Exp at one point moved in with girlfriend who has 4 dc to 2 fathers, who both work in well paid jobs and contribute generously. The money CMS say they have to pay monthly is then split between all the dc he is 'financially responsible' for (In quotes because in reality he wasn't even paying rent let alone contributing to her 4 dc) so in my case the £120pm he was so desperate not to pay was split between 6. £40 to me for my 2 dc - that he didn't pay anyway, just went to arrears that he later got wiped - and £80 to his own pocket girlfriends dc.

RainbowToes · 15/09/2021 07:34

Does anyone actually ever get arrears owed through the CMS? My ex has significant arrears. He's trying everything he can to avoid paying maintenance.

outofservice · 15/09/2021 21:30

@happinessischocolate thanks for the advice, going to put money away in a different account for the time being and ignore.
@liveforsummer I want to cancel the payments but I know my kids won’t ever get anything from their dad. I send them to him in clothes and he sends them back in things I bought last year that they’ve grown out of. Anyway, I’ve written to my local MP in disgust at bullies like these who are still financially controlling their ex’s because if the flawed system. It might not do anything but I feel better.

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