£130,000pa is overpayment surely?

[markmichelle]

In today’s Times is the report that a nurse was properly dismissed in 2018 for wrongly prescribing a medicine. During the proceedings it was reported that Maria Bull was a partner on £130,000 a year at Hastings and Rother Healthcare.
My point is that General Practice has an excess of money if they pay that much for a nurse/partner. Instead of paying a few these amounts, ought they to employ more people? I know from another Practice that these figures are typical.

What would give us, the public, the customers the better service?

I dont know but im a practice nurse, and now im aiming to be a partner if thats the going rate.

You have it backwards. First you determine what skills you need to run a business, then figure out how much it would cost to attain them.

@Letsallscreamatthesistene
How does a nurse become a partner in a Practice?
What skills would a nurse need to add to their general nursing capabilities?
Would you have to invest in the business as one would in an engineering business?

I don't know about nursing but in my industry, if you're a contractor you can earn between £500 and £800 per day, which would put you in that bracket.

[quote markmichelle]@Letsallscreamatthesistene
How does a nurse become a partner in a Practice?
What skills would a nurse need to add to their general nursing capabilities?
Would you have to invest in the business as one would in an engineering business?[/quote]
Probably the same way anyone on the GDC register can own a dental practice? E.g. A dental nurse can own a practice, and they delegate the work they're not qualified to do to the dentists and hygienists etc. If you've got the money to open a practice and employ someone to delegate other work too, then you can call yourself a partner and do what you like I assume.

No idea how it works in healthcare to be honest, but my vague understanding of partnership is that you’re not a salaried employee, you’re invested into the business and get a share of the profits. So it wasn’t like they were paying her £130k per year salary to be a nurse, that was the share of the profits she was entitled to and her qualification is irrelevant.

I think you’re down playing whay her role was. She was an advanced nurse paractioner as well as a partner in the healthcare trust and covered for gps all over the south coast. Both roles combined she was paid 130k per annum for. Which would be about right

In Dentistry a proportion of the income is direct from the Patient. Whereas in Healthcare all the money is channelled from the Min of Health. It is much more secure and certain.

I'm more interested in why she prescribed stuff for a patient's dog....I can only read the first two lines of the article in The Telegraph. I'm assuming if she has been sacked then she knew it was for a dog? How did she get caught? What on earth was she thinking?

@bigbaggyeyes

I don't know about nursing but in my industry, if you're a contractor you can earn between £500 and £800 per day, which would put you in that bracket.

A contractor doing what?

@Bluntness100 I only know what was reported.
A Nurse Practitioner would be Post Grad and £60,000 if Hospital based?
If she was so clever one is surprised that she prescribed human medicines for an animal. Even more surprising the Veterinary organisation did not prosecute her.

It could be misinformation from the newspaper. Or if her role was as extensive and advanced as stated by a pp then perhaps that payment is correct.

GP surgeries are businesses. The partners get a share of the profits so presumably, if she was a partner, she was paid exactly the same as the GP partners (and probably more than the salaried GPs).

It's not a salary for her job as a nurse, it is her share of the profits as a business owner.

[quote markmichelle]@Bluntness100 I only know what was reported.
A Nurse Practitioner would be Post Grad and £60,000 if Hospital based?
If she was so clever one is surprised that she prescribed human medicines for an animal. Even more surprising the Veterinary organisation did not prosecute her.[/quote]
50k would be more accurate as a NP. And 'if she was so clever'...?! You sound like you have a huge chip on your shoulder.

You really sound invested and miserable. I’ve met more than a few nurses who acquire a dozen antibiotic tabs for their dogs and even had a dog in for an x ray. but these things happen in bush locations where vet services are spotty.

There are two of our family members in hospital based Nursing. They have no opportunities to earn £100,000. (Not me, motor vehicle engineering)
It is usually accepted especially on MN that the Health Service is short of money and staff.

If Practices can pay so much to staff then there is already plenty of money in the system and it needs better management to be applied.

@markmichelle

There are two of our family members in hospital based Nursing. They have no opportunities to earn £100,000. (Not me, motor vehicle engineering) It is usually accepted especially on MN that the Health Service is short of money and staff. If Practices can pay so much to staff then there is already plenty of money in the system and it needs better management to be applied.

Yawn. Its an age old arguement isnt it. One we've heard 1000's of times. Id suggested that if your family members want to earn more, they leave and look at different areas of nursing. Occ health generally pays well.

Some practices have a practice manager as partner, not medical at all.
Assume paid as practice manager then a share of profits. No one any worse of

You are aware that many/most GO services are private business right? That sell their services to the NHS?

She is a partner, she gets a share of the profits hence the income.

Your family members do that the same opportunity - they need to buy into a GP partnership, as presumably she has.

www.wesleyan.co.uk/commercial-finance/medical/buying-a-gp-surgery