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Cross country horse riding event questions

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Contactlesslenses · 01/08/2021 16:58

Potentially stupid questions about the Olympic equestrian events, specifically the cross country which is currently on BBC.. I will preface this by saying I know nothing about horse related sports..

Do the riders get to practise on the course before the event? It’s a 5km course with 30+ jumps, how do they know where to go?

I assume the horses that do the dressage aren’t the same horses who do the cross country and show jump. Are the horses they use the riders ‘own’ horse?

If a horse was to run around the cross country track on their own, without a rider, would they choose to jump over some of the jumps? Would they run through the water?

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Sideorderofchips · 01/08/2021 17:03

Generally it's different horses for different disciplines. Not sure about walking the course for cross country

Sideorderofchips · 01/08/2021 17:04

And yes my daughters pony would happily jump a jump with no rider or tack

JosephineDeBeauharnais · 01/08/2021 17:06

So, speaking as wife of a former international event rider, here’s some info:
It’s the same horse does all three phases - think of it as a triathlon.
The horse may or may not be owned by the rider. Most are owned by wealthy benefactors, some in partnership with the riders. Occasionally the rider will own the horse outright.
If the rider makes an unscheduled dismount (falls off), the horse will often continue on as it’s heading back to the stables. It may or may not jump an obstacle on the way - usually not. Often if it drops the rider it will stand politely while things get sorted out.
One’s DC love it when daddy falls off in the water, it’s the highlight of their day and doesn’t happen nearly often enough Grin.

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powershowerforanhour · 01/08/2021 17:07

They get to walk around the course on foot and memorise it beforehand. They don't get to practise round the course on the horses. Each rider rides the same horse throughout dressage, XC and showjumping. The horses are trained and ridden by the riders in normal competition in their own countries and flown out to the Olympics. (Unlike the horses for modern pentathlon which are local horses the riders haven't sat on before).

If a horse was loose on the XC horse it would probably just run off in the direction of the stables. (They like to be with other horses which is why if you see a steeplechase race where a jockey has fallen off, the loose horse will usually continue galloping round with the others jumping the fences on the way, till they get level with the stables and veer off the course back to the stables).

JosephineDeBeauharnais · 01/08/2021 17:07

Oh and no they don’t get to practice- the riders walk the course usually three times (at a competition like this, day to day just once).

powershowerforanhour · 01/08/2021 17:12

Although as Sideorderofchips said, different horses for the pure dressage and pure showjumping competitions. The moves in pure dressage, like Charlotte Dujardin does, are more difficult than the ones in the eventing dressage and the jumps in pure showjumping are bigger than the eventing showjumping.

Contactlesslenses · 01/08/2021 17:12

Thanks! Wow, so the same horse does dressage, cross country and show jumping. That’s amazing.

Are the horses who do the dressage only just dressage horses?

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Contactlesslenses · 01/08/2021 17:13

Sorry, cross posted,.

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stupidstupider · 01/08/2021 17:13

An event horse does all three disciplines dressage, then cross country then show jumping. The horses either belong to the rider or to an owner but the rider treats it as their own. A lot of horses just hang around waiting for their rider if they fall off, or might go back to the other horses. The rider walks the course on foot and remembers it. It's often easier to remember the cross country than the showjumping course.

Mrsmorton · 01/08/2021 17:14

@Contactlesslenses yes, pure dressage. They might do other stuff for fun but the dressage and showjumping horses are specialists.

Contactlesslenses · 01/08/2021 17:15

Really silly question.. when the horse is running towards a jump does he/she know how high it is? Can they judge?

Or is it all down to the rider to guide the horse to jump high enough to clear it?

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ShortBacknSides · 01/08/2021 17:16

Do the riders get to practise on the course before the event? It’s a 5km course with 30+ jumps, how do they know where to go?
No. But you've generally jumped practice rounds elsewhere - at home, at other competitions. These are world class riders, they've done many many cross-country events before.

The rider walks the course at the start of the day - generally before spectators etc turn up. You get to judge approaches, and fastest ways through & start to think about speed v risk (eg in cutting corners). You also know how your horse jumps & how nifty they can be in coming to a jump at an angle, rather than straight on, for example, or what they're like jumping water.

I assume the horses that do the dressage aren’t the same horses who do the cross country and show jump. Are the horses they use the riders ‘own’ horse?

In 3 Day eventing or 1 day eventing, yes, you ride the same horse. That's the challenge - you show that the horse is well-trained to your commands in dressage, you show your speed & courage as a team across country, and you show control & stamina in the show jumping.

In some competitions, you don't necessarily have your own horse - if there's a ban on horses travelling internationally, or an onerous quarantine. But I think in Tokyo, all competitors are riding horses they've trained & ridden specifically in world-class eventing competitions.

If a horse was to run around the cross country track on their own, without a rider, would they choose to jump over some of the jumps? Would they run through the water?

Some do! One of my ponies would have kept jumping and then just run off & grazed. He wouldn't go through water on his own, though.

Water jumps are often the biggest hazards for horses. They have a different quality of vision to us (they tend to see light & shade rather than colour) and they don't have great side vision, so spook easily by something at the very limits of their peripheral vision.

Mrsmorton · 01/08/2021 17:16

The horse judges that, the rider usually determined the stride which is where the horse takes off. That is absolutely critical.

powershowerforanhour · 01/08/2021 17:19

Yes, usually. I think there used to be a bit more swapping around between disciplines- there was a British Olympic dressage rider called Christopher Bartle whose horse Wily Trout had been a very good event horse then switched to pure dressage- but that was a few decades ago and I don't know if it happens any more.

Contactlesslenses · 01/08/2021 17:21

Thanks for the information. Looking forward to the show jumping!

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LadyJaye · 01/08/2021 17:25

Former BE Intermediate event rider here.

Event horses are very special - think of them as the triathletes of the equine world, as a PP said.

They may be materially owned by an external owner, but live and train 24/7 with their rider - the relationship is crucial.

Horses naturally jump, galloping and perform many of the key moves in dressage by themselves - the key to training a successful competition horse is finding one with natural talent and then training them in such a way that it is fun and easy for them. You can't force a 1200lb animal to do anything they don't want to do!

One of the reasons why I am now a former event rider (lack of talent to progress aside!) is because it is SO all-consuming: you have to live and breathe it to keep your horse happy and well, normally in addition to having a FT job on the side.

JosephineDeBeauharnais · 01/08/2021 17:25

@powershowerforanhour

Yes, usually. I think there used to be a bit more swapping around between disciplines- there was a British Olympic dressage rider called Christopher Bartle whose horse Wily Trout had been a very good event horse then switched to pure dressage- but that was a few decades ago and I don't know if it happens any more.
Wouldn’t happen now at Olympic level but very often event horses retire into dressage for an easier life. Chris Bartle is the GB Eventing team coach now, having previously trained the German team to utter dominance over the past 16 years.
LadyJaye · 01/08/2021 17:30

@powershowerforanhour

Yes, usually. I think there used to be a bit more swapping around between disciplines- there was a British Olympic dressage rider called Christopher Bartle whose horse Wily Trout had been a very good event horse then switched to pure dressage- but that was a few decades ago and I don't know if it happens any more.
I rode an excellent horse for an owner who had been bred for pure dressage, but suffered from a bit of an excess of personality (Grin) and we discovered that he enjoyed the jumping job more.

Used to get terrific marks in my dressage, though, which was very pleasing after a decade or so of riding ex-racers with a fairly 'meh' approach to that phase. Grin

LadyJaye · 01/08/2021 17:31

The horse, not the owner, obvs!

horseymum · 01/08/2021 17:32

The skill in eventing is the same horse and rider doing all three disciplines, a bit like triathlon as someone said earlier. The dressage is slightly easier and the showjumping slightly lower than the pure single disciplines but that is still relative. They walk both the cross country and the showjumping courses beforehand. The cross country will sometimes have alternative routes which may have an easier jump but take longer. There are penalties for being over the optimum time. In showjumping the fastest round without knocking down any poles gets the best score. It is often an exciting ( imo!) finish ad the showjumping runs in reverse order with the best going last so the medals are decided right at the end. GB is historically quite good at equestrian disciplines and also have good prospects in the paradressage. ( There is no para jumping in the Olympics)

Contactlesslenses · 01/08/2021 17:39

Thanks for the info. I assumed that it was a team event with the specialists competing in each event, I didn’t realise the same horse and rider competed in each.

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Grinch48 · 01/08/2021 17:48

Read riders by Jilly Cooper
Pretty much covers all of your questions 😂😂
It’s more of a bonkbuster and trashy as hell but it s my favourite book to read when I have nothing to do and it ends with the Olympics

ShortBacknSides · 01/08/2021 17:58

THat's the skill of it - and the fun! I was never an event rider at the level of others on this thread, but I've done enough 1 and 3 day events to know the fun - the control & precision of the dressage, the excitement & courage you & your horse need for the XC, and then the precision and gamesmanship for the show jumping.

It's exhausting but tremendous fun.

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