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Dressage? Please explain.

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Fordian · 28/07/2021 20:04

I don't get it (obviously). But surely the horse has been well trained, and just does it's thang, presumably well, with someone sitting on it.

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Fordian · 28/07/2021 20:20

Chill. Really. I mean, surely the horse is still doing what it's been trained to do, albeit with someone squeezing here, pulling there, to get it to do that thing?

I mean, I'm sure it's clever, but isn't it a bit like 'One man and his dog' (remember that?), where the shepherd gets the medal, but the dog does the work?

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Bryonyshcmyony · 28/07/2021 20:21

God. I'm fucking sick of all these threads sorry OP

No its not cruel yes it takes years to train yes it's a sport

A poster posted a brilliant thing on another thread I'll try and find it

OhWhatAPalarver · 28/07/2021 20:21

A dressage rider is extremely skilled and their horses highly trained. You can barely see them using their aids to control their movements
Incredible isn't it

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Saidtoomuch · 28/07/2021 20:21

You know what though, if you've seen some shows like Spirt of the Horse then horses really do dance without a rider!

MotionActivatedDog · 28/07/2021 20:22

@PegasusReturns

Brilliant Grin

When was the list time you saw a horse shimmying across a field sans rider?!

Ha!! I’ve seen that plenty! Grin
camelfinger · 28/07/2021 20:23

I’m pretty ignorant of dressage too. When it’s on I can’t help thinking it looks like they’re warming up and are about to start jumping or galloping. I must admit to watching it rather like I’d watch Crufts or One Man and His Dog, it just looks really strange as a thing to watch for entertainment. It obviously requires a lot of skill, it just looks odd to watch to the untrained eye unlike other sports.

Antwerpen · 28/07/2021 20:23

@NavigationCentral

Uhm. So I don’t understand horses. But - are you labouring under the impression that the horse would come and pirouette, tap, zigzag and do a variety of fine movements of its own fucking accord, if you put on a mix tape for it?
Sounds reasonable Grin
HighlandCowbag · 28/07/2021 20:24

Mine danced in from the field today. Fucker nearly danced in my toes.

It's incredibly skilled, it would be like a normal driver getting in an F1 car, you wouldn't be able to drive it. Too many buttons in too many places and you won't know they are there until you press one.

I bought a horse years ago when I was young and brave. We didn't know much about him but at some point in his life he had obviously done quite a bit of dressage. A few times when just messing around in the school I found buttons I didn't know he had. Asking for a slight extension across the diagonal was very memorable. And leg yield was also surprising.

SimonedeBeauvoirscat · 28/07/2021 20:25

What, have you never been out on a country walk and seen a horse tapdance across a field before?! It just comes naturally to them.

BIWI · 28/07/2021 20:26

The German woman who won the gold medal (sorry, can't remember her name) was just amazing, as it just looked as if she was a mannequin on that horse. It didn't look as if she was moving anything!

It's a completely bonkers sport, but I do get that it's immensely skilled.

hugoagogo · 28/07/2021 20:28

Known as 'horsey prancing'Grin in our house.

dappledsunshine · 28/07/2021 20:28

Amazing, thanks for all the explanations. I thoroughly enjoyed watching today and also wondered how the horses are trained to respond.

Fordian · 28/07/2021 20:31

@hugoagogo

Known as 'horsey prancing'Grin in our house.

😂

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SemiFeralDalek · 28/07/2021 20:34

From my many years sat watch my sister do dressage I can tell you with confidence, that horse dancing is really hard, takes ages to train for (both horse and rider) and to the untrained eye, in amateur competitions, it all looks very much like they're doing the same thing and it was always a surprise to see who placed Grin

*I am the untrained eye here.

YellowBellyCat · 28/07/2021 20:34

I used to ride when younger and found dressage harder than show jumping or x country……very skilled discipline.

Dh has been enthused by the rider in his 50s and said he may take up dressage and become the Eddie the Eagle Edwards of the dressage world. 😂. I haven’t broken it to him that i don’t think the GB equestrian team are that desperate.

ahoyshipmates · 28/07/2021 20:38

One thing that a lot of people don't realise is that the horse doesn't know the routine. Only the rider knows the exact sequence of moves that have to be completed, which is different at each competition. The horse is not trained in the routine, because otherwise they tend to anticipate what they are going to be asked to do next, and often go into it too early. They have to be seen to be obeying the rider's commands The first time the horse performs the entire routine from beginning to end is usually during the competition. The skill lies in teaching the moves, training the horse to know and understand the commands, and in building up their stamina, strength and muscles in all the right places. It takes years and immense skill, and a horse with the right temperament and physique.

It is ridiculously difficult.

Rapidash · 28/07/2021 20:39

Of course the horses in the olympics are highly trained... but who do you think does the training? 😂

It's not like the riders only ever ride at Grand Prix level - it takes years of work to bring young horses up through the levels

This is Charlotte and Pumpkin back in 2017:

www.horseandhound.co.uk/news/charlotte-dujardin-new-horse-pumpkin-gio-613706

Bryonyshcmyony · 28/07/2021 20:41

@ahoyshipmates

One thing that a lot of people don't realise is that the horse doesn't know the routine. Only the rider knows the exact sequence of moves that have to be completed, which is different at each competition. The horse is not trained in the routine, because otherwise they tend to anticipate what they are going to be asked to do next, and often go into it too early. They have to be seen to be obeying the rider's commands The first time the horse performs the entire routine from beginning to end is usually during the competition. The skill lies in teaching the moves, training the horse to know and understand the commands, and in building up their stamina, strength and muscles in all the right places. It takes years and immense skill, and a horse with the right temperament and physique.

It is ridiculously difficult.

This
GuyFawkesDay · 28/07/2021 20:47

The F1 car and driver comparison is spot on correct.

IonaLeg · 28/07/2021 20:49

This is why every Olympic sport would benefit from having a normal person with no experience take part, as a point of reference Grin

Beetlebrooker · 28/07/2021 20:49

Dressage is a difficult discipline, and both the horse and the rider need to be fit, supple and athletic!

I like that the Olympics are making people ask more questions. From a beginners perspective, when you get on a ploddy horse for the first time, it's all you can do to stay upright, hold the reins, maintain a contact and use your legs at the right time. Dressage is a level of training where your things, lower legs, hands and seat (and even the angle of your head) control where the well-bred super-pricey horse puts each foot, how quickly, in what direction, and with finesse and elegance.

It's the difference between getting in an ageing Ford Fiesta when you've never driven, and handling a Formula 1 car after a lot of training I suppose. The expensive car with all the high tech doesn't win the prize does it, the driver does.

And let's not get started on CADENCE.

Beetlebrooker · 28/07/2021 20:50

Oh sorry, didn't notice that someone used the F1 comparison already Blush

Iquitit · 28/07/2021 20:55

See, threads like this and some of the replies are part of the reason horse people have a reputation for being stuck up snobs!

OP - all horses need to have basic 'flatwork' training before they can move on to things like jumping and cross country. It's the basis of everything (or should be) as it teaches the horse how to move correctly in order to accommodate the rider and be balanced and supple.

Dressage (especially at this level) is that but to the highest level, horses don't need to be trained to the level you're seeing at the Olympics to do other disciplines, but they do need the basics and more depending on what level they compete at.

Dressage is a way of showing your horses training and how well you've 'schooled' the horse and is the first element in eventing because you need to show the horse is well trained and responsive to you, and although fit and raring to go, also well trained and responsive enough to listen to the rider.
At Olympic level, dressage is very technical and precise, requiring the best of training to the highest level, but also a horse that is physically capable of the stamina and movement required and with a trainable temperament - they're often bred for those attributes.
The riders also have years of training to enable them to ride and train these horses correctly and effectively, and they need to have a core and thighs of steel and of course know which cues (aids) to give the horse, in enough time for them to respond to perform a movement.
As someone else said upthread, the less they look like they're doing the better rider they are because they have trained their horse to respond to the tiniest of aids. Me with my windmill arms and flappy legs wouldn't stay on long at all because I'd probably scare and confuse the poor animal!

The movements are all movements that horses can (and do) perform of their own accord, but depending on their training and agility, how 'well' they perform them on their own is different for each horse.
Put one of those Olympic horses next to my old cob and it's like putting Darcy Bussell next to Onslo from Keeping up Appearances - still physically able to perform the moves but obviously one is going to do it better than the other because of training, build and natural aptitude.

On any horse, if you want to go where you want to go, at the speed you want to go at, you need to do more than just sit there, you need to sit correctly and be balanced and give the right aids at the right time. Not to mention sit up and rely on your core muscles if something becomes extremely exciting and they have a good excited jump around!

TheChosenTwo · 28/07/2021 20:58

I’m with you OP, not into horses and keep getting annoyed when things I do want to watch are interrupted by horsey prancing Grin
The riders are clearly doing something but because they’re so good, the untrained non horsey among us presume they are doing nothing. Which isn’t true, obviously, but it all looks a bit pointless and totally joyless for the horse!
Anyway, I know nothing about horses or riding, I don’t like horses etc but they are very clever and well trained!
I dislike the fact that people are taking the piss because you’ve just asked a question!

Forstarters · 28/07/2021 20:59

It’s the silliest thing I’ve ever seen. My 7 year old was like ‘this is a sport? Making a horse dance?’

Poor horses