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Insensitive comment on death post caused argument

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WishIWasSomewhereElse · 27/07/2021 21:53

My dad died last week. He suffered from Kidney Cancer and had a nephrectomy, which recurred, but was controlled by Paz, until he was diagnosed with primary Pancreatic Cancer in March, then all treatment stopped.

He actually died from kidney failure. It was pretty horrific. He went into hospital following a fall, had numerous bicarb infusions to treat severe acidosis, which failed, then treatment stopped. We fought tooth and nail to get him home fast, before he died.

We saw the Funeral Director today and got the date for the funeral, I put it on Facebook as asked by my mum, so people could come.

Someone from the past, but on my friends list, messaged me saying he would like to come but needed accommodation (no way). He then asked when it happened (he could have looked at my past posts - it was there).

He then replied that my dad had a good innings. I was stunned and didn't reply.

OK he was over 70, but he suffered horrifically with the treatments for the KC and with the death of my brother last year. He has spent the last year puking and shitting himself (sorry for TMI).

Someone else called him out and I blocked him. My sister then phoned me up telling me I'd over-reacted by blocking him. She said he wasn't being nasty and it was just a thing people say and I'd taken it the wrong way and he wasn't being nasty. I asked her if one of her friends dads had died would she say that at least they'd lived to a good age? She said "well no...but".

I'm now doubting myself. I don't really care about this person, they're not someone I talk to anyway, but did I over-react?

I can imagine thinking someone lived to a good age, but I wouldn't say it on a someone's personal FB page about the death of their loved one.

Dsis is having her birthday party this weekend, despite dad's death, so maybe she isn't the best barometer of what is right or wrong, but she's cried and I haven't, so maybe I'm just going mad?

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RocioMartinez · 28/07/2021 16:30

I am so sorry for your losses.

I lost my dad in his 70s after a very short (2 week) battle with pancreatic cancer. This was 10 years ago and I now realise it is no age at all.

Right now you are in autopilot dealing with the practicalities because you have to. This is normal. You are not an emotionless monster and you will find your own time and space to grieve.

I doubt you were "too late" when you went round to see your dad. I am pretty sure my dad hung on until he knew for sure that I was there with baby DC and then left us. The nurses said they see this quite often.

One thing I would suggest is that you consider how to involve your DD in the funeral. Some of my relatives frowned on the fact that I took my DCs to the funeral (both much younger than yours). In the end I think it really helped my DM and I am glad that they were there - all dressed up - to say goodbye.

Nohomemadecandles · 28/07/2021 16:32

[quote WishIWasSomewhereElse]@saraclara Sorry for the loss of your DH Flowers

I wrote a very long post in the early hours, but it got lost somehow after I posted it.

I am a mess. I miss my Dbro. I think we all do. My dad, probably the most; certainly he was most visibly distressed.

Dbro was the 'gel'. He was able to stop mum from being highly strung and having a go at dad (this isn't a flaw as such, this is how she related, she is less emotional than dad was), Dbro was able to keep Dsis under control (I do love Dsis, but she is very, very forceful, very prone to fits of temper, slamming doors, claims she wants to 'win', mum and I tend to acquiesce to her and give in, Dbro was able to stand up to her more), for me he was my confidant and that was mutual.

We don't know why Dbro died. He had double vision, went to the GP, who sent him to A&E, who in turn sent him to Oxford, who diagnosed him with a stroke, then discharged him.

He then started falling. Was admitted to hospital again. Another MRI decided that he hadn't had a stroke after all, in fact they decided that his symptoms (by now including weak leg and arm muscles and slurred speech), were 'psychological'.

Then he was reviewed again, sent to a specialist neurological centre. Had several lumbar punctures, MRIs, CAT scans, etc, etc. Several illnesses were ruled out such as Myasthenia Gravis, MS etc. But they didn't know what was wrong.

After a few months we were called into hospital. His condition had stabilised, but he couldn't see properly. His eyes looked in different directions, he couldn't walk, talk properly or grip.

His frontal brain showed damage, but it wasn't caused by a stroke, though they couldn't say what had caused it. He had tested positive to Lymphoma, but oncology had said as his symptoms weren't typical they weren't prepared to see him.

As the condition had settled, and wasn't expected to worsen, they decided to send him to a rehabilitation hospital so he could regain some function and independence.

Then Covid happened. The hospital was recommissioned as a Covid hospital (and NEVER used) and Dbro was sent to languish in a care home miles and miles away.

We weren't allowed to visit, but the care home said he wasn't eating (and clearly they weren't caring for him either).

After a few months we were told he was in hospital with a UTI. Then had a call saying he had aspiration pneumonia, and we could visit him.

What we saw was a shock. He'd been a big man. Despite of muscle wasting he was emaciated...he looked like a POW. His beard was down to his waist. We found out the care home had expressed concerns that his ability to swallow had ceased, yet the hospital had tried to get him to feed and water himself, leading to his death.

We asked for a post mortem and were denied. We were desperate to know what caused his underlying illness, especially as all the doctors believed it to be genetic, they kept on saying they may or may not find it on PM, so it was not worth doing! I am so, so bitter about it.

I miss him so much. He should be here, helping. Dad told the doctors to deal with me (and it is me who is dealing with the practical things now), as I'm quite good at practical things, in a way a bit like Dbro, mum forgets things, Dsis tells people about her problems, I deal with what needs to be done, but right now, apart from doing what needs to be done, I'm kind of dizzy, not with it.

Dad died just after DD1 left primary school. I picked her up, left her with DH, went round to see him. Mum answered the door. The FN nurses had just gone and she said he was the same. As soon as I walked in I knew he was gone. He was still warm, but I could just sense it...I was literally just too late.

He was so proud of DD getting into grammar and said he wanted to drive her there. I'm ruining her holiday as all I've done since she's broke up last week is deal with things.

Everyone else thinks I'm doing OK as I'm dealing with everyone, all friends/relatives, telling them when the funeral is etc, organising for them to see him to say goodbye, etc.

I haven't even cried yet.

DD has psoriasis and a skin tag under her eye, I'm now panicking that it is something else, she's waiting for dermatology, but I keep waiting for the next thing to go wrong...

I haven't even cried yet. I feel like an emotionless monster.[/quote]
You're not an emotionless monster. You're holding it all together. I think you've under estimated your own "gel" properties.

Your family sounds like it fitted together like a good jigsaw. You've got pieces missing now and that must be so difficult for you.

You've absorbed so much grief recently. I'm so sorry.

thebeesknees123 · 28/07/2021 16:37

People are awkward around the subject of death. I had loads of insensitive comments, which I took offence to. I needed counselling after my father's death - he also lived til 70 but had a horrible death and wasn't ready to go mentally, either.

But I have since come to the conclusion that people don't really know what to say and even saying nothing at all can be hurtful and misinterpreted.

I'm sorry for your loss. :(

GintyMcGinty · 28/07/2021 16:41

It is something people say and you have over reacted.

It's understandable why but still an over reaction.

Sorry for your loss.

UrbanRambler · 28/07/2021 16:43

OP, I'm so sorry for your losses, that is a double blow for you, losing your father and brother, plus you have lost a daughter too, so you have really had a lot of grief to bear.

The person who made that comment sounds a bit insensitive and as he's clearly not a close friend I would suggest you have no more dealings with him, you owe him nothing.

Years ago, life expectancy was 70, and so people would often use the phrase "a good innings" when someone died of 70 or older, to mean that the person had been fortunate to live to that age, as many others did not. Nowadays, with life expectancy being in the 80s, the phrase tends to be used more when somebody passes away in their 80s or older. It's not implying that the person had the happiest or most fulfilling life, it's really just a comment about the numbers of years they had, and something people trot out when they don't have anything else to say.

Suzi888 · 28/07/2021 16:45

I’m sorry for your loss, having lost someone in similar circumstances I can imagine how horrendous that was.

I agree with pp, that phrase is something people say, I don’t think the person meant to be offensive. I hate the phrase though, not a comforting or particularly pleasant one. Especially as your father was quite young.

EarringsandLipstick · 28/07/2021 16:54

@GintyMcGinty

It is something people say and you have over reacted.

It's understandable why but still an over reaction.

Sorry for your loss.

Please read OP's posts where she gives the wider context about the person who said this, including what they said when her baby DD died.
RB68 · 28/07/2021 17:22

People say the most crass things when trying to express themselves. You are going to get worse than this I would have thought. Just close off comments on the post and sweep it away. GO check out some photos of your Dad from better times and chat to people who really knew him.

Dad went in March this year and it has hit me really hard he was days from having surgery to potentially correct what killed him. It was all just too late as things were delayed by COVID.

Mum went Nov 19 and as you say life was rough the last few years - she had dementia.

Both of them were mid 70s - no age today

Clawdy · 28/07/2021 17:24

I really don't blame you at all for being so angry and hurt. When my dad died of a heart attack at 60, one of our friends didn't know the details, and said "Sorry to hear that, but a heart attack is a good way to go..." I said "A good way to go? Dying on the floor in pain, alone? That's a good way to go?" There was a stunned silence, and he apologised, but I never forgot that crass comment.

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