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Why can’t my son have a higher level reading book

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WeRTheOnesWeHaveBeenWaitingFor · 13/07/2021 17:22

My son has been on the same reading band for 6 months or more. When I asked his teacher why he isn’t moving up they said because he is already on the highest band for year 2 and they don’t allow them to go higher. Why would they prevent a child from moving up? He has just had his report and it states that he is achieving expectations in reading but they won’t let him go higher so how could he get exceeding?
I don’t want to ask the teacher because I’m already ‘that parent’ and don’t want to add to my reputation.

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TeenMinusTests · 13/07/2021 17:24

Because the school is unnecessarily rigid.

You can read whatever you want at home.
It doesn't matter whether school grade him as 'achieving' or as 'exceeding'.

Nuggetnugget · 13/07/2021 17:24

I think that is strange. All you can do is use the summer to get him into other books and hopefully the new teacher in Sept will push him along. My child's school assesses them all and if they are working a year or so ahead they get the according book band to work from.

NeedNewKnees · 13/07/2021 17:25

Don’t make him read them. My DS1 was the same, idiot Y2 teacher had him read and reread the same shite for 6 months when he was reading real books at home.

We just wrote “found them dull, read Harry Potter instead” because I wasn’t going to let a petty rule out my child off the joy of reading. But I was that parent and didn’t much care.

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LawnFever · 13/07/2021 17:27

How ridiculous, just let him read what he likes at home, with some new books that push him a little bit and ignore them.

WeRTheOnesWeHaveBeenWaitingFor · 13/07/2021 18:24

I let him read what he likes at home and I know he’s a good reader. I do not have any faith in their arbitrary marking system. It just bugged me and wondered if anyone could work out why they would do that? Is it about cooking the figures?

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ineedaholidayandwine · 13/07/2021 18:30

Thats odd, the school is being strange. My daughter is 4 and in reception and on orange band so above her age level, they encourage them to develop and advance their reading so try them with something a little harder to see how they do.
I would challenge, despite any reputation.
If you really don't want to then look on Amazon for Oxford reading books in the level you want

Waveafterwaveslowlydrifting · 13/07/2021 18:33

As a teacher I would say because most children regress over the 6 week summer holidays, and putting them up a book band now would do the child a disservice when they start their new year group. It's better for children's confidence levels to start in September secure in their book band than to be moved up now and them moved down again in the autumn term.

TheSlayer · 13/07/2021 18:45

Some schools operate this policy because of competitive parenting. Parents wanting their child whose comprehension and decoding is still developing reading ridiculously hard chapter books.
That said, I was stuck on bloody Little Red Hen books at school and hated it. There's a balance.
Spend the summer finding some great reads. Short chapter books are expected in year 3. Dick King Smith books are my own personal faves.

30degreesandmeltinghere · 13/07/2021 18:47

Both my dd's were in Free Choice after year 1..
I would be asking in what other areas are they holding your ds back
..
Older dd was doing work 2 years ahead the whole of primary after reception.. If the school can't cater for that op you need to ask them why for sure...

PoptartPoptart · 13/07/2021 18:59

A lot of children that age who are good at reading struggle with comprehension.
So while they might be able to sight read the words, they are not secure in their understanding of what they are reading.

Noway100 · 13/07/2021 19:00

Wow and then schools are surprised when Ofsted says they do not stretch the most able.

Anonapapple · 13/07/2021 19:03

I worked in several UK schools as a teacher where it was generally the consensus that children are moved up very conservatively in order to show 'progression' and to hold back until the end of the year to give the impression of more of a jump from one term to the next. It's not right for starters and this isnt even the case here. Its pedagogically unsound to put a cap on a child's learning in this way.

However, the amount of times that parents have complained that their child's book is too easy for them, when that is not the case, is very frequent.

Some children are excellent at decoding even more advanced level books and could probably read the ingredients in the washing powder with ease, but cannot answer more than simple recall questions about what they have read. They can't make inferential predictions or talk about how a character feels. They can just read all of the words. That's one reason why a child may not be moving up as fast as parents would like.

Another reason is that often, children are introduced to a book in school and a teacher supports them to read it. By the time they go home and read it to parents, they have already had one go and remember the story, or parts of it. So even if they were struggling with the first read, they might be a lot more confident the second time around but they are not solid in that book.

Some parents' expectations of what is an example of really secure reading might be different from what a teacher has judged.

Deciding on a reading level is a really fine balance between phonetic knowledge, comprehension, knowledge of words that arent decodable, fluency, expression and confidence. One child might do well by moving up a band as a confidence boost (if they are pretty much on the threshold) while another child might feel more secure to wait and gain a bit more mastery. Myself and colleagues put a lot of thought into getting it just right for every child and we move the children to a band that is right for them, not stopping at the expected level. Read loads of books at home because that's the most important thing and the ultimate aim is for an independent love of reading anything. The banded books are just a tool to get there.

Kerplunkk · 13/07/2021 19:04

Second what Poptart had said.
Also taking into account fluency, punctuation, ability to use expression & use the right digraphs or trigraphs for the right word.
Some teachers won’t move them up until they’ve ticked all the necessary boxes.

HopeValley · 13/07/2021 19:08

Ofsted is really clear now that children should be on a level of book which matches their decoding skills so there is really no excuse for this. Never worked in a school that measured progress (for teacher appraisals and pay progression) by book band levels so don't think it's a case of cooking the books.

Faithless12 · 13/07/2021 19:12

@ineedaholidayandwine

Thats odd, the school is being strange. My daughter is 4 and in reception and on orange band so above her age level, they encourage them to develop and advance their reading so try them with something a little harder to see how they do. I would challenge, despite any reputation. If you really don't want to then look on Amazon for Oxford reading books in the level you want
It’s not all that odd. It happened to my DS in reception who was off the reading scheme within two weeks of starting Year 1 in a different school. He was easily already up there in the old school she just said it’d be too difficult for a new teacher to assess him if she didn’t hold him back a bit.

@WeRTheOnesWeHaveBeenWaitingFor Take him to the library or let him read other books. Enjoying reading is more important than the reading scheme.

Lemonmelonsun · 13/07/2021 19:30

Hi op, welcome to the shady world of reading level books.
I have two dc with very different academic attainment at the moment. Dc 1 wasn't charging ahead with anything until late year 1 by which Rome somethings clicked and she soared, she was reading and re reading lemony snicket by year 2, it's wordy and clever, her teacher then seemed to adore her and totally said she's got the understanding etc.

Her reading books were always kept surpressed even by the time she left she was never a free reader.
Thankfully she had the books at home to choose and we got what she water to read, took her to charity shops etc and kept the flame burning because I can assure you, had it been left to the school she would have been bored to death sadly.

Teachers seem rigid about it and then I have heard its something to do with figures and progress? I'm can't wait understand it, I get all the variants above but.. From my own case study it was rigid

girlmom21 · 13/07/2021 19:30

I'd willingly be 'that' parent if it meant my child was reaching their full potential. Ask the teacher again. If you have no luck, go to the head.

Fedupofmagic · 13/07/2021 19:34

I haven't filled in a reading log since year 3. (About to move into year 6)

Mainly due to my daughter reading proper chapter books at home and being able to finish the "books" given to her by the school in about 3 minutes flat.

I pointed this out at parents evening, the school agreed and said that as long as she's reading at home they're fine with it.

Last report stated that my daughter is (and I quote) "a well read young woman"

Just keep them reading whatever they want to at home. School rules don't suit all kids when it comes to reading levels.

Waveafterwaveslowlydrifting · 13/07/2021 19:36

This thread is the epitome of entitled customer culture amongst parents.

By all means, let your child read whatever they like at home. But you can't huff and puff your way to a higher book band. At this stage in this year it's largely pointless anyway. But why would anyone trust the teacher?

WentworthPrison · 13/07/2021 19:37

You do realise that book colour does not prevent or mean a child reaching a greater depth standard. There's so much more to it than that. Home reading books are for home and have little to do with assessing a child as working towards, expected or greater depth.

While I don't agree with a child having a "ceiling" on book colours (my school don't do this) you need to realise that it's only a book colour. It has nothing to do with his reading lessons, assessments etc. It's a tiny percentage of his weekly reading. If you're that bothered, then read your own home books with him or take him to the library.

Lemonmelonsun · 13/07/2021 19:38

Arf...

Our teachers are very clearly how they they are dealing with with 30 in a class.

Everyone knows the parent knows the child best, I can't believe any teacher would be so arrogant as to really nor ruin that sometimes the parent does actually see how detrimental being held back in reading is.

What happened to parent partnership working??

Lemonmelonsun · 13/07/2021 19:40

And it certainly would behove some schools and teachers to remember that they are the "customer".

Oblomov21 · 13/07/2021 19:42

News to me. I thought they went onto free reading once they'd reached the top level.

Skyla2005 · 13/07/2021 19:42

Get higher books for him from the library that's ridiculous they are spose to meet the needs of each child

WentworthPrison · 13/07/2021 19:44

Parents might know their child best but schools know education best.