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Would you trust someone that cheated on their OH/Family/etc?

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Emma2021 · 08/07/2021 23:39

I've always said that if a man or woman can cheat on their HO/family, I for one could never trust them. Yes, those that have, are cheating, deceiving their OH/partner/family will disagree with me.

Look at it like this. Covid rules were there to reduce risk to you, those around you, your loved ones, the vulnerable etc, However, let's say you liked your quick kiss, cuddle and more and then went hoem to hubby, the wife, partner, children and been in very close contact with strager and then you huged/kised your OH/family/etc. IMO, if you are will to lie and put at risk your family, I would never trust you nor have any respect for you.

A friend of mine said to me once that when her husband of a good 20 years was caught out cheating and then learning it had been going on for years, it was not the cheating that really hurt it was the deception.

Cheating is deception

Cheaters will often say 'i love you, i'd never cheat on you, trsut me' and so on but an early signal is them spending even more time than usual on their phone/laptop/etc.

I don't want to be deceived and pray that I never am and I never would as deception is nasty and cowardly IMO.

Yes, relationships can break down for various reasons, but often it's lust/etc

From the several people I'm aware of that left their marriage/partnership via cheating/deception, all of them broke up again as I guess that must have been thinking if this man/woman could cheat pn their OH, why not me.

I have a skill, well t's more of gift in identifying cheats possibly because I know what to look out for.

Be honest and do a clean break IMO but never forget that relationships can/are hard work at times and it's so easy to to fall for the sweet talk and greener grass on the other side of the hill but come the reality, once the honeymoon period is over, it's often no different.

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AnneLovesGilbert · 08/07/2021 23:44

Three of the previous generation of my family had affairs, married their affair person, seemed deliriously happy and stayed together till one of them died.

Obviously many decades pre covid but you’re making a very sweeping statement here.

Yes, I trusted all 3, and their spouses.

Emma2021 · 08/07/2021 23:50

@AnneLovesGilbert

Three of the previous generation of my family had affairs, married their affair person, seemed deliriously happy and stayed together till one of them died.

Obviously many decades pre covid but you’re making a very sweeping statement here.

Yes, I trusted all 3, and their spouses.

Not from what I have seen, heard first hand. Possibly times have changed since then. Just to throw in the black seed of doubt, how do you know they were not cheating as many don't get caught out.

A couple of years ago several articles in the media suggesting a larger number of men wrongly assumed they were the biological daddy but not the case. This story was around DNA tests as more and more are requested.

Another awful point about cheating/deceiving you current OH is giving them a sexually transmitted disease. - just not on .

Cheating aka deception is as vile as it can get IMO.

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LonstantonSpiceMuseum · 09/07/2021 00:37

The issue isn't always the cheating, as you said, it's not the deception.
Or the fact that they would do something knowingly hurtful to you.
There's lots of things I don't do that aren't materially hurtful, because I know it would upset someone. Calling names, pointing out sensitive topics like age, looks, someone's weight. Using offensive language, or making a scene at a wedding.
If it's something that I know would upset someone, I don't do it.
Forgetting the argument that some cheaters didn't feel valued etc etc. The fact is they went and did something they knew was likely to hurt their partner and didn't care.
That lack of disrespect is what gets me personally.

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LonstantonSpiceMuseum · 09/07/2021 00:38

Also, everyone I have spoken to that was cheated on has said they wished they knew earlier so they could get away. There's something about it happening behind your back that just add to the awfulness

Emma2021 · 09/07/2021 09:27

@LonstantonSpiceMuseum

The issue isn't always the cheating, as you said, it's not the deception. Or the fact that they would do something knowingly hurtful to you. There's lots of things I don't do that aren't materially hurtful, because I know it would upset someone. Calling names, pointing out sensitive topics like age, looks, someone's weight. Using offensive language, or making a scene at a wedding. If it's something that I know would upset someone, I don't do it. Forgetting the argument that some cheaters didn't feel valued etc etc. The fact is they went and did something they knew was likely to hurt their partner and didn't care. That lack of disrespect is what gets me personally.
Good morning

I agree that there can be reasons but in the vast majority of cases I've seen, heard about, it's just an excuse to go for a younger, different model.

I strongly disagree when you say its not 'deception.' To fool, lie, continuously lie to your loved one for possibly years, put them at risk of sexual disease, covid etc, it is indeed deception of the worse kind.

One of the people that I know about that deceived her husband her feeble excuse was "you are always working." She failed to acknowledge the nice house, car, hols etc they had was all down to her hubby working hard and at time long hours. Another excuse I've heard of several times "you were not paying me enough attention."

Most of the British politicians that have cheated/deceived their OH's, no evidence of them being abused/etc.

It is too easy to cheat/deceive these days as people can be easily more bold via their mobiles, internet etc and take it from there.

Marriage is not what it was even 25 years ago.

Often, it's the children that suffer and one of my friends friends got a sexual transmitted disease and had to go through the humiliation of months of doctors and clinics/suffering etc.

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Emma2021 · 09/07/2021 09:31

@LonstantonSpiceMuseum

Also, everyone I have spoken to that was cheated on has said they wished they knew earlier so they could get away. There's something about it happening behind your back that just add to the awfulness
Thanks. Yes it's not the cheating that hurts but the massive deception, ie making a fool out of your OH and putting them and the family at risk of Covid in current times.

I've heard stories where the lover/woman has been caught out by her OH, moved out or kicked out on the assumption promises of their new lover that they too would leave their family and it never materialises or just lasts a couple of weeks.

I've often heard the cheaters would say to their current OH, "I never meant to hurt you." Really, how would you feel I ask myself if you had been cheated on, deceived for weeks, months, years and put at various risks.

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Youdiditanyway · 09/07/2021 09:46

I wish cheaters would just leave the relationship they’re clearly so unhappy in. It’s utterly selfish and cowardly to try and continue to keep the long term relationship going while you’re also off galavanting with other people. Just end the bloody relationship.

LonstantonSpiceMuseum · 09/07/2021 18:39

@Emma2021
"I strongly disagree when you say its not 'deception.' "
I meant it was the deception - no idea why the "not" got in! That should explain why i then completely contradict myself in the subsequent post 🤦‍♀️

Tal45 · 09/07/2021 19:14

Yes I'd much rather my OH left than had an affair. Doing it behind your back is manipulative and controlling IMO as it keeps you as a back up option if it doesn't work out unaware and so unable to move on yourself. It's just a really awful thing to do to someone.

Emma2021 · 09/07/2021 22:11

[quote LonstantonSpiceMuseum]@Emma2021
"I strongly disagree when you say its not 'deception.' "
I meant it was the deception - no idea why the "not" got in! That should explain why i then completely contradict myself in the subsequent post 🤦‍♀️[/quote]
apologies, my bad.

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Emma2021 · 09/07/2021 22:13

@Youdiditanyway

I wish cheaters would just leave the relationship they’re clearly so unhappy in. It’s utterly selfish and cowardly to try and continue to keep the long term relationship going while you’re also off galavanting with other people. Just end the bloody relationship.
that's why they are called deceivers as they deceive those closest to them.
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Emma2021 · 09/07/2021 22:15

@Tal45

Yes I'd much rather my OH left than had an affair. Doing it behind your back is manipulative and controlling IMO as it keeps you as a back up option if it doesn't work out unaware and so unable to move on yourself. It's just a really awful thing to do to someone.
you've hit the nail on the head, ie 'keep as back up.' many deceivers return to their original ie when they have been dumped.
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HoneyBeeHappy · 09/07/2021 22:30

What point are you trying to make here OP?

These threads come up about every week or so, “everyone who cheats is scum, they’re all deceiving their partners, never to be trusted again, once a cheater always a cheater,” and whatever other cliches exist.

But the world isn’t black and white. The fact is that more people admit to cheating than don’t, which means that cheating is far more common than not, because there will be many people in these surveys who will have cheated but answered no. So essentially what you’re saying is that most people are deceptive and never to be trusted, except it’s never that simple.

I had an affair 9 years ago. Do I regret it? Absolutely. Would I ever cheat again? Absolutely not. And in theory there are no excuses. But in practice I was in an emotionally abusive relationship and had been for several years, with a man who controlled everything I did. Who isolated me from my friends and family by moving us out of the area, and making it impossible for me to go back to work. Who made it clear that not having sex wasn’t an option, in fact he once said that it seemed I like some rough sex, that I enjoyed him raping me.

There’s more, and I’ve written about the abuse at length on various threads.

No, I didn’t leave for OM, in fact ex would have taken me back, but the affair was a catalyst to leave the relationship. I’d tried before.We’d talked about splitting up for a few years. In fact he told me we should move for his benefit and the DC’s benefit and then split up, and then expected me to stay which was much easier because i had no support network and no job and was dependent on him.

Of course people will say that it couldn’t have been that bad, that this was a script which I told everyone to justify my scummy behaviour.

The irony is that he’s in a new relationship now and he is the same towards her.

My DC no longer see him because he essentially cut them off in favour of his new partner. His parents and I have a fantastic relationship, even though they know why we ultimately split up.

you are free to say that I should never again be trusted, and that is your prerogative.

I am fully aware that people may choose not to associate with me because of what I did. Or that a man might not want a relationship with me. I accept that.

But the fact is that the affair is seen as far to much of the problem. When someone has an affair any previous wrongdoing is forgotten, after all, he/she had an affair and the cheated on partner must have been perfect and never did any wrong.

I can hand on heart say that I would never cheat again, and that splitting from my ex has made me a stronger person in terms that I will hopefully deal with things better in the future if that should be necessary.

But while I accept responsibility for my part in the divorce, my affair did not cancel out the person that ex was. He was and still is that person.

It strikes me that people who claim you should never trust a cheater/that they’re all scum, are trying to prove themselves to be morally superior in some way.

You will know people who have had affairs. You will know people who you know are having affairs, and in reality if you cut them all off you would have very few people left in your life.

Life just isn’t as simple as that.

Emma2021 · 09/07/2021 23:42

@HoneyBeeHappy
Thank you for your post, honesty.
IMHO, you've banged on about an excuse, IE " emotionally abusive relationship." I mean no offence but I've heard it too often and most of the time it's a two way thing but to be clear, I'm not saying it was the case in your scenario.

You state you would never do it again, I will take your word as another poster's face value.

You failed to recognise the fact that many deceive not just their OH but their children as well as well as putting their official OH at risk of Covid/STD's etc.

I could never cheat on my OH and our marriage has had it's up and downs and IMO mostly my OH's fault but I have been at fault as well but to find someone else, have sex, etc with them and then not tell my OH is just beyond me. The deception, making a clown out of your other half, taking them for a jester, using them, lying to them and my kids, etc, etc is as low as it can get. IMHO, anyone that can deceive their husband/wife/partner/family are never to be trusted.

Thank you again and I have no reason to disbelieve what you have posted as it appears it from the heart and by all accounts you are a stronger and better person for it.

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LonstantonSpiceMuseum · 10/07/2021 04:55

@Emma2021 not you, I'm just crap at typing 🙈

HoneyBeeHappy · 10/07/2021 09:32

@ Emma2021 clearly you don’t believe me as your post is completely contradictory in that you don’t want to actually say I’m lying but you refer to me “banging on about an emotionally abusive relationship.” And that there are usually 2 sides to these things.

Just as a matter of interest, if a woman posts on the relationships board that she is in such an abusive relationship is your first thought that there must be 2 sides to the story? Or does that only apply once the abused has an affair.

Bearing in mind that at no point did I state that I wasn’t wrong to have an affair. I was. And to that extent there were 2 sides to our divorce, which I have also acknowledged. But for some reason me having an affair seems to have cancelled out the other side. So is the abuse understandable if it leads someone to have an affair?

Just for reference, my affair was mostly emotional. My ex was almost never there when we moved, and used to take the DC back to our home town as it were, the town we left for his benefit, for various activities so that they could continue them. I was expected not to come on these trips because we had animals which would need to be let out. So he was at work all week which is fully understandable, and then off with the DC at weekends, which even his work colleagues had told him that if he wasn’t careful I would probably leave him.

I happened to get talking to someone during that time. It was all online, and then by phone, and then we met up (and slept together) once.

After that I never slept with my H again, and we had been talking about divorce even before we moved, so when I pulled back even more it was a much easier conversation to have, and when he found out about the affair there was a reason he would agree to the divorce. I could have gone back, the affair had ended by then, but I didn’t. Suddenly I was free, so we went ahead.

I never saw OM again. In the beginning I thought that maybe we would stay together, but we didn’t. We didn’t part on bad terms, he didn’t really want to have been the one who broke up a marriage and he started seeing someone else. But that was ok.

Apart from online contact, the only time I wasn’t there was the 1 time I met up with him.

I didn’t spend years deceiving my ex or my children.

Of course there are people who rewrite history, or who have multiple affairs just because they can.

But equally there are people who don’t. And when you consider that around 70% of people have affairs, it’s naive to think that as soon as there is a problem in a relationship you can just leave. Clearly it’s not that simple. Finances, children, being a stay at home parent and dependent on an abusive partner are all things which come into play and which might make things seem more difficult.

You just can’t view the world in black and white.

HoneyBeeHappy · 10/07/2021 09:34

And now I am left thinking that maybe the abuse wasn’t that bad. Maybe it was all my fault and I deserved it.

There are 2 sides to abusive relationships after all no?

Emma2021 · 10/07/2021 15:52

@LonstantonSpiceMuseum
No worries, I'm crap at reading, lol.

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Emma2021 · 10/07/2021 15:54

@HoneyBeeHappy

Bottom line, I know what I have posted and it is your prerogative to interrupt my post as you wish.

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mintybobs · 10/07/2021 15:59

Nope nope nope.

I dont give a crap how many wonderous examples anyone gives on here- cheating on someone is a repulsive and selfish thing to do. If you are that unhappy then LEAVE. Leaving is no harder than constantly lying to someone, running around behind their back and putting them at risk of an STD.

Also, the people saying "I know someone who cheated, and now theyre really happy with the OW"- noone knows what goes on behind closed doors so you really dont know that. I know people who cheated, married the OW then cheated on her too but they pretend on Facebook everything is wonderful. To the outside world, they are "blissfully happy". In reality- he's cheating on her just like he cheated with her.

Emma2021 · 12/07/2021 15:47

@mintybobs

Nope nope nope.

I dont give a crap how many wonderous examples anyone gives on here- cheating on someone is a repulsive and selfish thing to do. If you are that unhappy then LEAVE. Leaving is no harder than constantly lying to someone, running around behind their back and putting them at risk of an STD.

Also, the people saying "I know someone who cheated, and now theyre really happy with the OW"- noone knows what goes on behind closed doors so you really dont know that. I know people who cheated, married the OW then cheated on her too but they pretend on Facebook everything is wonderful. To the outside world, they are "blissfully happy". In reality- he's cheating on her just like he cheated with her.

A very accurate take on majority of those that cheat on the husband/wife/partner and lie to them, their family for days, weeks, months and in many cases for years.
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