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Incest. Possible trigger warning.

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PippaGrace · 08/07/2021 10:38

Name changed for this.

I’m not quite sure what I’m hoping to gain from this thread. I just need to get this out and gain some perspective. Things have happened recently with my mother that have really made me take a step back and reevaluate my entire relationship with her and the rest of my family. It has stirred up a lot of old hurt.

My mother walked out on us when I was 16. My younger sister ran away a few months later to join her. My mother was so wrapped up in herself and her newfound freedom as a single woman that she didn’t take care of my sister as well as she should’ve. My sister was 15. My uncle lived near my mum. We never really knew him very well as kids. He was in his forties. He was a popular man, handsome, charming, exciting and well off. A real pillar of his community. My sister started spending a lot of time with him. He rode off-road motorbikes and went out partying most nights. The life he lead was very appealing to my sister. She started spending a lot of time with him. Within a few months she was practically living with him. My mother allowed this. She didn’t see anything wrong with the arrangement.

My sister and my uncle started sleeping together when she was 15 years old. They practically lived together. They were inseparable. He spoiled her, bought her expensive gifts. Let her do drugs like crack, cocaine and acid. This went on for three years. My mother ignored everyone who tried to tell her that something wasn’t right. That this relationship wasn’t normal. My mother turned a blind eye and did absolutely nothing to stop it. He was paying for everything for my sister. Even her private school fees. My mother denies it but I know she knew. How could she not know? She just didn’t want to lose the financial support that he offered by taking care of my sister.

My sister admitted to all of it when she was 18 years old. My mother did nothing. She stopped speaking to my uncle but that was about it. No police involvement. No consequences.

A few years later my mother and my uncle started speaking again. She says she decided to forgive him and move on from it. She even allowed him to walk her down the aisle when she married my step father. Suddenly she started saying that my uncle and my sister were in a loving relationship. There was nothing wrong with it because it was true love. The rest of the family felt the same way. His siblings and mother (my uncles and grandmother)

My uncle got cancer in 2019. He died later that year. My mother nursed him and never left his side. After he died she told my sister that she blames her for his death. She says that he never got over her and that is what made him ill. When he died he was married with a young child. The wife never knew about his relationship with my sister. She still doesn’t.

My mother has his pictures all over her house. She wears his jumpers almost every day. She talks about him constantly. When he died hundreds of people posted tributes to him and mourned him. He was very much loved in his community. No one knew what he really was.

My sister is a shell of a human being. She has developed a personality disorder. She is an alcoholic. She has such terrible anxiety that she doesn’t leave the house. She can’t work. She is broken. But.. she is extremely close to my mother. She even lives with her.

I can’t get my head around any of it. In my mind this was grooming. Abuse. Incest. Statutory rape. It was, wasn’t it? My mother and I can’t have a relationship because of it. She says it was true love and it wasn’t wrong. She says people can’t help who they fall in love with.

This is fucked up isn’t it? Please tell me that I’m right to feel this way. That this is enough to cut my mother out of my life. It has caused so much hurt in my family and the rest of us can’t seem to let it go. The rest of us siblings are constantly having to pick up the pieces of my sister’s broken life while she sits there mourning him as if he were some sort of saint. My biggest regret is not making sure he was punished for what he did. I am 34 years old now. I appreciate that this was a long time ago but it’s all resurfaced again since his death.

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beigebrownblue · 08/07/2021 12:13

Sorry that should have been

www.standalone.org.uk

Pebbledashery · 08/07/2021 12:13

Your mother does not deserve to breathe oxygen.
I'm so so sorry this happened. Is there any way you can extricate your sister from this toxic woman? It is 100% abuse, rape, incest.

PippaGrace · 08/07/2021 12:13

@beigebrownblue Thank you so much. I’m going to look into it right now.

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/07/2021 12:18

I just want to say that you need to remember to look after yourself. All of that is so fucked up it must be terrible to live with.

You will be worried about your DSis but, at any point, if you think her issues are takingover your own life and having a negative impact on your mental health, you MUST give yourself permission to step away.

Whether you like it, think it appropriate or not, your DSis is living with family and they are doing what they are doing. She chooses that. If you cannot change it, or control it, you are not responsible for it (a handy mantra for many).

Be kind to yourself and set yourself a definite boundary, at which it all stops and you take care of yoruself first and foremost.

beigebrownblue · 08/07/2021 12:19

It is a really hard thing to say and accept but we all have to access help for ourselves, it is out responsibility to find it. Others can help and signpost but in the end it is up to your sister. It may not be the right moment in time right now.

Good you are finding help here.

Especially if you have children, your own self care and caring for them has to come first. It's that thing about putting your own oxygen mask on before you can help anyone.

Or alternatively, if someone is drowning in a ditch (like your mother obviously is doing as she is in denial) you wouldn't jump in the ditch with them. The right thing to do if you can, is to try and help them out of it.

This is a painful road you are on right now but you have got your head screwed on, you know what the truth and the healthy thing is. So eventually you will be the role model in your birth family.

Trauma often gets passed from generation to generation. As you have already realised. It stops here. With you. You want something better for your kids. Well done you are very brave.

PlantWitch · 08/07/2021 12:21

I come from a similarly fucked up background and suffered years of mental health problems and anxiety as a result. I cut off my family and never looked back. Im now married to a wonderful man with two beautiful children and a nice home. My life changed ten fold once I became estranged from my family. Sometimes it is the right thing to do. Something to consider.

I hope you (and your sister) find peace.

criminallyinsane · 08/07/2021 12:24

Perhaps this pattern of intergenerational and sibling abuse stretches back into earlier generations as I just cant get my head round a grandmother thinking all this is ok?

RickiTarr · 08/07/2021 12:25

You have to secure your own oxygen first and in any case you can’t help someone who isn’t ready to be helped, which is incredibly hard in itself.

beigebrownblue · 08/07/2021 12:32

In my case I became estranged from my birth family due to the after shocks of leaving an abusive partner. Several of them didn't support me breaking away, which was really the ultimate betrayal in my book.
Some didn't believe me.

So I built a new life away from them. Sometimes very hard, especially in pandemic year, but still with all the challenges life is ten thousand times better now.

Perhaps they will reflect on their actions and understand the suffering they caused me. Perhaps they won't. Either way I've done the right thing for my now immediate family which is me and DD.

It really isn't a casual choice to go no contact. But it is definitely a new start .

LittleNibbler · 08/07/2021 12:37

I don’t have any advice here @PippaGrace, I just wanted to say I’m sorry for what you have been through and that I hope you and your sister are able to get support for this.

Whilst it’s true your mother may have been abused, she has also abused your sister and is continuing to do so by blaming her and preventing help. Is there anywhere else your sister can go as being with you isn’t appropriate? Definitely look into getting some professional support and advice. I really hope you can come through this. Xx

PippaGrace · 08/07/2021 12:42

@beigebrownblue I’m sorry to hear that you were a victim of abuse and I’m sorry that your family let you down. You seem incredibly wise and strong. Thank you for the amazing advice and kind words 💐

@LittleNibbler thank you so much x

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takemehometoasda · 08/07/2021 12:50

Do the doctors who diagnosed BPD actually know your sister has a history of such severe abuse and neglect? Because that is really severe abuse you're describing.

Complex PTSD is often misdiagnosed as BPD (it is a documented problem with misdiagnosis, especially for female trauma survivors), which means people don't get the right help to enable them to recover and end up blaming themselves/being blamed instead of understanding that they're traumatised.

I'm glad posting has helped you. Your mum is clearly very damaged herself and I wouldn't be surprised if she had her own history of abuse and trauma - she certainly talks about and views this abuse in the way that many abuse victims do. It can take a very long time for someone who was groomed and sexually abused to understand that it was abuse not the "loving relationship" the abuser convinced them it was. Some are never able to recognise that, for various reasons.

You have every right to be angry with her for letting you and your sister down so horrendously and for the continued impact of her behaviour. It may help you in your healing to find understanding and compassion that she is clearly damaged and traumatised herself, but that does not make her actions ok or mean you have to maintain a relationship. It would be more that understanding may help you for your own good to cope, process and heal. When we can make sense of things they tend to feel more manageable.

I would reiterate, you do not have to continue a relationship or contact with someone who has harmed or is harming you. No matter what genetic connection there may be.

Unfortunately it is also often the way that communities won't see or accept that someone they liked is an abuser. It can be very hard to cope with the injustice of that. All I can say to you is to remember that you know the truth and that you are not alone.

If it hasn't already been suggested (I've only read your posts), NAPAC may be an organisation that could be useful to you. Their helpline may be able to signpost you to different sources of support where you live. I have spoken to them once and they were very kind and helpful.

There is no question of them dismissing you and last time I checked the website they still said that once they are on a call with you they will give you up to 30 mins to talk through any information or support they can signpost you to. So they don't just answer and rush you off the phone in 5 mins. They're not therapy but information. There might be support groups in your area though.

If you do ever need to talk to a person don't forget the Samaritans are there - you don't have to be suicidal to call them, it is for anybody in distress. They won't judge you, it's confidential and if you don't gel with the first person who answers you can hang up and try again for someone else. That's fine, they won't mind. You can email too.

It can help to cast your net wide in terms of support.

I hope life gets easier for you and your sister, but remember to take care of your own oxygen mask first as they say.

Fluffycloudland77 · 08/07/2021 13:09

I thought the same as @MuckyPlucky, you can’t rule it out as the whole family seem to have no boundaries.

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