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Advice please for 3 year old's sleep

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Musicalbedsandchairs · 14/06/2021 06:47

My DD is 3 and had been bedsharing with me until recently. She woke every 30 minutes for some time as a baby and then 2 hourly, although she did start sleeping through at the end of last year as long as she was in bed with me.

We then started to put her to bed in her own room and let her walk into mine if she wanted to (she did every night) which meant everyone got the maximum amount of sleep and it worked really well. There were some possible medical reasons that my daughter was uncomfortable at night and she has also been through a big surgery so I've always wanted to do whatever seems to help her sleep the most.

We now have a six month old baby too, who sleeps in a crib in my room, and I feel like it's getting to the point where it has the potential to negatively impact them both if we continue this sleeping arrangement. The baby wakes every two hourly or more as well for a feed and although this doesn't disturb DC1 overly in the night, in the lighter mornings DC2 has been unsettled between 4 and 5 and normally up for the day by 5.30. This disturbs DC1 who then tends to be up earlier for the day than she normally would. If I take DC2 into DC1's room to bed share between 4am-6am this tends to keep DC2 asleep but because DC1 is used to me being there if she stirs and finds me missing she gets up to look for me and is again up for the day. When either DC have colds or illnesses they are up far more and sometimes disturb the other.

After discussing it all with DC1's consultant and physio who felt she should be more comfortable now we all agreed it would be better if she could sleep all night in her own room, so we've been doing this for a couple of weeks, but she is waking at least every 2 hours and shouting which is waking everyone up. We've tried reassuring but not making too much of it, and I think it is probably worth sticking with, but now nobody is getting much sleep. My priority is the DC's sleep as it's so important for their development, but I'm finding it difficult going between the two DC all night too as they each wake two hourly at different intervals and I'm studying in the evenings to retrain. I'd always felt it didn't matter as such a short time in our lives that they are little but I think it's probably affecting my health a bit now and my ability to be patient and engaged every day! The two hourly wake ups for years were manageable but with both at the same time it feels like a tipping point

I don't think DC2 is ready to move to own room at the moment as still feeding two hourly and is very hungry each time (doesn't seem to feed for comfort as DC1 did) and I'd be in and out all night anyway.

DH has slept in spare room throughout and does get up with DD1 sometimes now, but he does a lot of driving for work and seems to struggle more with wake ups so we've just always done it this way.

I think the thing to do is probably stick it out with DD1 in her own room but I needed some solidarity this morning! DC2 just eating breakfast in high chair and DC1 running round garden while I write this and I'm feeling guilty for being on phone so I'll get back to it now but any advice is welcomed!

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CompanyCrowdFight · 14/06/2021 07:55

At that age, we (I, because DH never did any night wakings) had the rule the Dc had to spend the night in their bed. What that usually meant was I spent part of the night in my bed, then part in with the DC who woke first, then part in with the DC who woke second... It was the way I got most sleep, I just made sure I had a mattress on the floor of DC2's room and squished in with the 2/3 year old as and when required.

Musicalbedsandchairs · 14/06/2021 09:48

I'm wondering about that. I suppose I could sleep on DC1's bed when she wakes and then pop back into my room for DC2 when they want milk! I've sort of been doing something like that anyway

I suspect though that DC1 would find it easier if they learnt to sleep without us there. Last night she did go back to sleep one time on her own when I went in and cuddled her and then said I'm going back to bed now, so you cuddle your teddy and go to sleep too, but more often she'd scream for me to stay

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Musicalbedsandchairs · 14/06/2021 13:18

I don't suppose there are any others with miracle solutions? DC and I are all struggling a bit today!

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DownWhichOfLate · 14/06/2021 13:39

Can you “solve” the lighter mornings by using black out blinds? Just an alternative possible solution.

Musicalbedsandchairs · 21/06/2021 00:17

I missed this last reply, thank you

It's hard to completely block out the light because of the configuration of the rooms, but I will try getting the travel black out blind down which helped a little with one of the windows

I'm back because we've been really struggling since and none of us have really slept yet tonight. I can sometimes get her back to sleep if I just lie in bed with her and then get up and go back to my room to feed the baby when I hear her cry, but I'm not sure it's helping long term as DC1 needs to learn to go back to sleep herself. Also, in the last few months she's started snoring very loudly and I can't really sleep next to her so although I will to help everyone else out it's not going to work long term. I am speaking to the paediatrician about her snoring which has strangely come on this year - I never noticed it until a couple of months before her third birthday and until recently was sleeping next to her every night

We can't really leave her as she screams until everyone and maybe the neighbours are awake, but I am matter of fact with her but kind - ie, "it's ok DD, you're safe and I love you but you need to sleep in your room, I'm going back to my room now"

She knows she will get lots of cuddles in the daytime. It is a bit heartbreaking really as she just wants to sleep next to me and I did love it too but for lots of reasons it's really better all round she sleeps in her room now. DH been in spare room for over 3 years!

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Musicalbedsandchairs · 21/06/2021 00:23

Maybe tonight will be a turning point, as strange as it sounds. DH did the wakes on Friday for her and I shut my door and just fed DC2, and he said DC1 only woke briefly at 12

I had heard sometimes there's a last night of protest before things get easier and maybe this is it..

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SlB09 · 21/06/2021 00:32

We never bed shared but my lb pretty much the same, waking for one of us to be in room etc. We stuck firm with the in own room rule, the way we got round needing someone there was first put a podcast on and it worked like a dream! So we then bought a yoto and he chose what cards he wanted and it has worked so so well, it's worth trying a podcast first so your not shelling out. He just finds comfort in the talking/someone reading.
More often than not he now sleeps through unless unwell and sometimes all we need to do is start the yoto card playing remotely from my phone and he drifts off again without us getting out of bed! Good luck

Sleepystarbright · 21/06/2021 08:56

I've created an account just to post on this thread! Just to say that if she snores (mouth breathes) this may well be contributing to her frequent waking up so it is definitely worth getting this checked out.

Second, sending DH in (and preparing her for this change in advance) can be really effective at her age. If DH needs the maximum sleep himself he could stay in with her to start with as you have been doing.

Finally, I really recommend Lynsdey Hookway's book "Still Awake" which is all about sleep and older children. It has some lovely confidence building strategies to choose from, for getting her used to sleeping alone.

User0ne · 21/06/2021 09:13

Can your DH sleep in with her/her with him?

3 DC here (one 3m). DH does all the might times with dc1&2, I deal with baby.

Otherwise I'd go back to the family bed arrangement or maybe DD on a mattress in your room. I don't know know any 12year olds who sleep with their parents still so be assured she'll grow out of it eventually

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