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To be utterly fucked off with this doctor

60 replies

Ramenallday · 26/04/2021 06:50

NHS.

Doctor informs me they will be taking 3 weeks annual leave (fine no problem) - encouraging everyone to take annual leave for wellbeing after the last year.

Then mentions they are flying to India to see family. I made it quite clear it was against regulations to leave the country unless they had an exemption and shows a distinct lack of judgement. Two days later they’ve changed their mind, they now need to go not for a holiday but to sign legal papers Hmm

Flew out THREE days before India was red listed and it was already clear there is a huge crisis.

Has now contacted me to ask for a letter explaining why they shouldn’t have to quarantine in a hotel and how desperately they are needed back at work so they can quarantine at home.

Inclined to say no, fuck off you made your bed you lie in it. Am being over ruled and told to write the letter Angry. Why should they not have to pay to quarantine?!! They made a choice, anyone could see what was going to happen. I have hundreds of staff who desperately want to see their family but haven’t.

AIBU to not write the letter?!

OP posts:
PyjamaFan · 26/04/2021 08:09

What an incredibly entitled person he must be

Absolutely do not write this letter. I agree with a PP, I would not want an appointment with this doctor until the proper quarantine has been carried out. How dare he risk infecting his colleagues and patients.

wonkylegs · 26/04/2021 08:09

Drs can be Fuckwits too - this one is one of those.

I say that knowing lots of drs both professionally and personally

Motnight · 26/04/2021 08:12

Op, am assuming that you are working in the NHS? Definitely don't write the letter. Ask the person who is pressurising you to whether they would like you to put your concerns to them in an email. They will hate any sort of trail around this.

If you are NHS then you could also consider using the whistle blowing process although having been closely involved in one myself I don't know whether it would actually do any good.

Good luck.

Trumplosttheelection · 26/04/2021 08:22

I appreciate your anger op but try putting yourself in the Doctor's shoes. It's terrifying to be apart from family at such a time. I think they need to suck it up re quarantine and I wouldn't write the letter either BUT I can see why they went.

LesLavandes · 26/04/2021 08:31

Don't write the letter because If this comes into the open at a later stage, you too could get onto trouble.

Pass this on to your boss or someone more senior.

MsHedgehog · 26/04/2021 08:35

Isn’t there more of an issue that he could have the Indian variant and then treat patients?

Anyone who travels abroad during the pandemic and since hotel quarantine was brought in takes the risk that they could be forced to pay up. He took the risk.

Chemenger · 26/04/2021 08:37

Is he asking to quarantine at home rather than in a hotel? To save money. Or asking not to quarantine? It’s not actually important because you can’t put your name to a lie for any reason and nobody should ask you to. Whoever is trying to force you to write it can sign it themselves if it is so important. I would be very tempted to report them to whoever regulates medical ethics.

Pythonesque · 26/04/2021 08:48

It needs to be passed up the line to approve locum payments and actually get someone in ... Are they on a rota with prospective cover?

I guess it is possible there was huge family pressure on this doctor, but agree its still bad form.

iminthegarden · 26/04/2021 08:50

Do not let that doctor back in the system until fully quarantined and tested!!!!

Confusedaboutlots · 26/04/2021 08:58

please do not write the letter. doctor won’t quarantine at home and could risk spreading the virus to vulnerable people - and that could even be a new strain.

the situation in india has been obvious to people for a couple of weeks now - please do what your conscience is telling you to.

there is absolutely no objective reason for this doctor to benefit from an exemption.

Crayfishforyou · 26/04/2021 08:58

There’s no way I’d put my name to a letter like that.
That dr is a complete twat. They knew the situation and chose to go into it.
Call lists be damned, I wouldn’t want a dr who’s been in a red area within 20 metres of me, never mind the 2.
Potentially it could be introducing a vaccine dodging variant into a busy area with lots of sick and vulnerable people into it where it will spread like wildfire.
WTAF

Confusedaboutlots · 26/04/2021 08:59

also the doctor can do telephone consultations from a hotel room as well as she can from home. what’s the difference

Confusedaboutlots · 26/04/2021 09:01

@Trumplosttheelection

I appreciate your anger op but try putting yourself in the Doctor's shoes. It's terrifying to be apart from family at such a time. I think they need to suck it up re quarantine and I wouldn't write the letter either BUT I can see why they went.
my mother couldn’t attend her mums funeral in sri lanka due to covid. everyone has suffered.

this doctor is not special and has a duty to protect the vulnerable. their behaviour is disgusting

Legoninjago1 · 26/04/2021 09:01

I am no hardliner when it comes to Covid rules but this is outrageous and is exactly the type of pathetic behaviour that could risk our hard won freedom. What an utter lowlife.

CormoranStrike · 26/04/2021 09:06

@Trumplosttheelection

I appreciate your anger op but try putting yourself in the Doctor's shoes. It's terrifying to be apart from family at such a time. I think they need to suck it up re quarantine and I wouldn't write the letter either BUT I can see why they went.
I can’t see why they went at all - surely in the middle of a horrendous third wave is NOT when you visit and all the more reason not to go?
Babdoc · 26/04/2021 09:06

Nobody can force you to write the letter, OP.
I recommend you put your reasons for refusal clearly in an email to the head of HR at your hospital, and copy in your line manager or whoever is trying to make you write it.
You could also threaten to refer the doctor to the GMC’s fitness to practice tribunal, for trying to force a colleague to break the law on their behalf.

loginfail · 26/04/2021 09:07

OP

Has now contacted me to ask for a letter explaining why they shouldn’t have to quarantine in a hotel and how desperately they are needed back at work so they can quarantine at home. Inclined to say no, fuck off you made your bed you lie in it. Am being over ruled and told to write the letter angry.

Writing a letter is pretty pointless.

The current UK quarantine rules (finally) have some clarity, there are details here of who is exempt from quarantine measures, and as a subset the almost non-existent list of those exempt from quarantine if they arrive from a Red List country :

www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules/coronavirus-covid-19-travellers-exempt-from-uk-border-rules

Ask the Doc to read the list and ask if they can find the caveat that gives them exemption.

If they can find one then he/she and you can see what supporting documentation is required.

HTH.

Original poster
Ramenallday · 26/04/2021 09:09

They want to quarantine at home not in a hotel.

There are literally thousands of Indian doctors in the NHS who would love to go home, see their families and check how they are. Imagine being a doctor stuck here not able to go home and help your country when we are seeing the scenes we are currently seeing. They’ve stuck to the rules and stayed, this one doesn’t get a fucking pass. Not with my name on it

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AnneElliott · 26/04/2021 09:15

If he doesn't want the quarantine then he needs to stay in another country for 10 days before flying home.

That's what one of my colleagues had to do coming back from Pakistan. She stayed in Istanbul for 10 days before flying back to the uk. Plus she was on unpaid leave as well as she knew she didn't have any more leave left.

Don't sign the letter - the idiot knew the probability of this happening when he went.

sanfranfibber · 26/04/2021 09:17

@Ramenallday

They want to quarantine at home not in a hotel.

There are literally thousands of Indian doctors in the NHS who would love to go home, see their families and check how they are. Imagine being a doctor stuck here not able to go home and help your country when we are seeing the scenes we are currently seeing. They’ve stuck to the rules and stayed, this one doesn’t get a fucking pass. Not with my name on it

But why would a letter saying how needed they are as a doctor allow them to do that? They'd still be in quarantine not at work.
Confusedaboutlots · 26/04/2021 09:17

@Ramenallday

They want to quarantine at home not in a hotel.

There are literally thousands of Indian doctors in the NHS who would love to go home, see their families and check how they are. Imagine being a doctor stuck here not able to go home and help your country when we are seeing the scenes we are currently seeing. They’ve stuck to the rules and stayed, this one doesn’t get a fucking pass. Not with my name on it

yes absolutely 👍

who does this doctor think they are?!?

Helspopje · 26/04/2021 09:19

Your trust prob has a policy
Ours says you have to take AL for quarantine if ‘predictable need on return’

loginfail · 26/04/2021 09:19

@Ramenallday

They want to quarantine at home not in a hotel.

There are literally thousands of Indian doctors in the NHS who would love to go home, see their families and check how they are. Imagine being a doctor stuck here not able to go home and help your country when we are seeing the scenes we are currently seeing. They’ve stuck to the rules and stayed, this one doesn’t get a fucking pass. Not with my name on it

I don't think there's any way in any way shape or form that you'll end up giving the Doc "a pass".

I'm not sure WTF the GP is thinking to be honest - that you can produce a letter that in itself will have enough clout with "Border" to get him/her through the airport with just a cheery wave?

I'd be half tempted to buy popcorn, write something for the doc and then sit back and watch the result at check-in (India) or on arrival in the UK..

SunsetBeetch · 26/04/2021 09:20
Shock

How utterly irresponsible of that doctor! I would refuse to write the letter if I was in your position.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 26/04/2021 09:22

I would not write the letter, and I would have no hesitation saying why. He has behaved irresponsibly, and if you wrote that letter you would be doing likewise.

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