The trailers for Kate Garraway documentary are harrowing

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It is so very tragic !!

So brave of her for showing how Covid can destroy lives, even if her husbands case is the very extreme.

I really feel for her, and I am so sorry for what she is going through, and admire her strength in carrying in working and understand that TV is her chosen medium, , but I am really uneasy about the ethics of this as DD presumably doesn't have the capacity to consent to being filmed.

I was just going to say the same thing. I think it's good that she's been talking about Derek and reminding people that even if covid doesn't kill you it can leave you with life-changing damage: but how can he possibly consent to being filmed for a documentary? I would hate it if it were me.

I feel the same - does her husband know and consent to all of this?

Not something I will be choosing to watch.

Poor lady. It's a very tragic situation.

Absolutely agree with the consent issue. Both my parents were in hospital many times and it was all very distressing and traumatic. They had no capacity to consent and no way would I have allowed anyone other than medics and a couple of very close friends to be there. It was all very private and personal and not for other people's consumption.

but how can he possibly consent to being filmed for a documentary? I would hate it if it were me.

That's been my thoughts throughout the time he's been in hospital. His image has repeatedly been on the news and she's shared very intimate details of his health with millions and yet he's not been able to consent to any of it. It makes me very uncomfortable.

There are hospital programmes on television all the time with the sickest patients, some of whom don’t survive.

I watched a programme about heart surgery on BBC2 a couple of years ago and the patient died on the table.

Also on Channel5 critical condition they’ve shown patients brought in in cardiac arrest who couldn’t be resuscitated.

There are programmes on television about small children and babies with serious medical conditions.

It could be said that none of those patients were able to consent. Should we therefore ban any documentary which involves highlighting real issues where the person being filmed is not able to consent?

How does that work?

No documentaries about children/adults with SN?

No documentaries or news reports about dementia patients?

This is as much Kate and her family’s story as it is his.

It is unlikely he will ever recover from this.Should her story not be allowed to be told?

She can tell her story but doesn't have to put him on camera. I'd be really upset if my husband did this.

Also, I think, GDPR ceases once you die.

In the absence of his ability to consent that falls to his next of kin. In the same way that anyone’s next of kin would have to consent to e.g. medical treatment on behalf of a patient.

I’ve been in hospital numerous times and I know that my family would never have consented to me being filmed for any kind of documentary. (And I have spent time on a ventilator in an induced coma).

I actually always said I wouldn’t want to be on one of those programmes, but having been there I’m not sure

So what about e.g. a documentary about patients with dementia?

Or children with severe SN? Those comic relief/children in need programmes where they show the sickest children who are the most profoundly disabled?

What about news stories about people with serious disabilities or serious illnesses?

Is it ok to film those because they’ll never have the capacity to know?

@Whatfrolics

I really feel for her, and I am so sorry for what she is going through, and admire her strength in carrying in working and understand that TV is her chosen medium, , but I am really uneasy about the ethics of this as DD presumably doesn't have the capacity to consent to being filmed.

Those were exactly my thoughts. I’m not sure I would want the world to see me in such a vulnerable position. Really, this should be a private matter

I'm glad someone else feels the same...I saw a trailer this morning and felt so uncomfortable for him. It feels like an intrusion of his privacy.

I used to know Derek many years ago when he was a politico before his conversion into a counsellor. He was outspoken, opinionated, bumptious and a bit of an ego. I have no idea how he changed with marriage and children but him being filmed as a vulnerable patient doesn't really sit comfortably with me in contrast with the younger him. As you say, what round he want?

@Whatfrolics

I really feel for her, and I am so sorry for what she is going through, and admire her strength in carrying in working and understand that TV is her chosen medium, , but I am really uneasy about the ethics of this as DD presumably doesn't have the capacity to consent to being filmed.

My thoughts exactly.

@AlternativePerspective

There are hospital programmes on television all the time with the sickest patients, some of whom don’t survive.

I watched a programme about heart surgery on BBC2 a couple of years ago and the patient died on the table.

Also on Channel5 critical condition they’ve shown patients brought in in cardiac arrest who couldn’t be resuscitated.

There are programmes on television about small children and babies with serious medical conditions.

It could be said that none of those patients were able to consent. Should we therefore ban any documentary which involves highlighting real issues where the person being filmed is not able to consent?

How does that work?

No documentaries about children/adults with SN?

No documentaries or news reports about dementia patients?

This is as much Kate and her family’s story as it is his.

It is unlikely he will ever recover from this.Should her story not be allowed to be told?

I don't believe any of these should be allowed

But I think they do sign consent forms.

Not good enough, I still wouldn't allow it. But I think we can assume this chap hadn't signed a form - or is it now the norm that he would have agreed when admitted?

She did say this morning on GMB that with his work on mental health etc. she was sure he'd be really keen for it to be shown etc. but it does make me feel a bit uncomfortable as he's very vulnerable and how does she really KNOW that's what he'd think about it...

@AlternativePerspective

There are hospital programmes on television all the time with the sickest patients, some of whom don’t survive.

I watched a programme about heart surgery on BBC2 a couple of years ago and the patient died on the table.

Also on Channel5 critical condition they’ve shown patients brought in in cardiac arrest who couldn’t be resuscitated.

There are programmes on television about small children and babies with serious medical conditions.

It could be said that none of those patients were able to consent. Should we therefore ban any documentary which involves highlighting real issues where the person being filmed is not able to consent?

How does that work?

No documentaries about children/adults with SN?

No documentaries or news reports about dementia patients?

This is as much Kate and her family’s story as it is his.

It is unlikely he will ever recover from this.Should her story not be allowed to be told?

Consent is gained. Wether that be from the patients or their families or staff If also involved.

I have been asked to sign a consent form many times by a production company that uses a major hospital for a fly on the wall program.
I always decline, that is my choice. If there is usable footage and I'm in it, I will be pixelated out and voice dubbed over.

None of us know whether he would/wouldn’t have agreed to be filmed in this situation.

There is one person who would know better than anyone else though so maybe we should trust her judgement?!!

If you don’t want to watch then don’t. But not need to judge Kate for making it.

Consent is gained. Wether that be from the patients or their families or staff If also involved.
There you go then. She is his family, therefore is able to consent.

I’ve discussed things like this with my husband. I’d want to be shown and he wouldn’t. I imagine Kate has had similar discussions with Derek so knows what he would want in this situation.