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Preparing to sell a doer-upper house - advice and opinions please

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WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 21/03/2021 22:55

There was a similar-ish thread to this recently, where OP's DH wanted to do major works to their house before selling it, in the hope of getting a much better price and/or secure a sale - very interesting thread, but I didn't want to hijack it.

We have an inherited house to sell and it's in need of quite a bit of TLC before somebody new would want to properly move in, but it's basically sound. The valuer is coming next week, so I shall grill politely enquire of him/her, but although obviously a professional, it's still only one person's opinion - plus they could make suggestions based on timings to suit them in marketing it rather than us in getting a better price.

It will need rewiring, a new kitchen and new bathroom - as per the other thread, we figure that whoever ends up buying it would want to choose their own and maybe get sockets put wherever they want, depending on if they knock down walls or reshape rooms etc.

It has stinky, manky, stained, threadbare old carpet throughout - a different hideous colour/pattern in every room. We plan to take this up and to the tip, to leave bare floorboards as a blank canvas for the buyer.

Otherwise, it has an extremely dated old gas fireplace - a kind of unit/suite with little shelves and everything, with the 'beautiful' old fake plastic log that lights up - which we plan to leave as is, rather than mess about with gas, as the buyer will doubtless want to replace it with their own choice and get a gas-safe engineer to do the removal and instal at the same time.

We're going to get the boiler checked and serviced (it was new in 2017) - with certified proof to present to the buyer, of course.

There are only two things we're not sure about. The walls are painted in garish colours that were never properly applied, so you can see bits of all three from the last redecorations over goodness knows how many decades all at once (with some rough-shaped bits completely missed where an easily-moved piece of furniture wasn't moved before painting) - except for one room which has horribly dated wallpaper. It looks really terrible and off-putting and wouldn't take too much effort or cost to repaint in boring blank-canvas colours, although areas would obviously need to be redone post rewiring, even if the new owners chose to keep the neutral colours we painted it.

The other thing is the decent-sized garden (bungalow on a decent-sized corner plot), which is mainly OK (needs a bit of tidying up), but there is an additional part that would naturally lend itself to being a 5 or 6-car drive (there's a dropped kerb) - obviously a really big selling point - but which currently is covered with tall weeds and doesn't really look at all like a potential drive. Also, there is a dated, very unattractive style wall around the whole property, bits of which are crumbling away and some have already fallen down.

Sorry, that was quite long - but what we're really wondering is whether it's worth repainting the house inside (thinking probably yes) and also whether to get the wall replaced with a simple picket fence or similar and to get the 'drive' part weeded and tarmac laid over it.

We don't live particularly near to it and won't have huge funds to invest in it, but we don't want to lose massively on how much it sells for. Obviously, it's worth a lot less with needing this work, so we aren't expecting top-condition market value; we just don't want to potentially lose out on tens of thousands when we could have avoided that by spending a few thousands initially. Equally, we don't want to waste time and money if what we do won't be wanted/appreciated/make much difference to the buyer. A similar property nearby, but without all the work needed, is up for around £300K.

If anybody is in the trade and/or has any experience of selling or buying doer-uppers - or just general suggestions as to what would or wouldn't put them off if they were buying, I'd really appreciate any input, opinions and suggestions - please be frank (and brutal if need be!). Do you agree with our decisions above, including the things we've so far planned to leave as they are? Any idea how much less each job/all of them together might reduce the value by? What's worth our while doing/not doing - or should we just accept that it will be bought as a doer-upper for a fair price and leave it completely as is for a new owner to do all of the jobs themselves, to their own tastes and specifications?

Lastly, do you think it's likely to be bought by a developer or by the intended new residents/their family - and will that make a difference as to how much we could expect to get. Just don't want anybody to get/feel ripped off - us or the buyers!

Many thanks in advance - for your input and for reading all of that!

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WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 24/03/2021 13:28

Oh, and he dropped quite a bombshell when one of us mentioned Homes Under The Hammer - he's been on there a few times himself! Any associate of Martin Roberts can't be all bad Grin

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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 24/03/2021 13:37

One thing you might find useful, OP - when we were clearing my mother’s house (she’d moved to a care home) some of the things went to charity shops, but there was quite a lot of e.g. old saucepans and other stuff which we thought too old/tatty and would have to go to the tip.
However a SIL advertised a ‘help yourself’ afternoon on the local Freecycle. We put all the stuff in the sitting room and it was amazing what people came and took away.
Much better than binning it all!

MoreWater · 24/03/2021 13:50

We've bought and lived in three do-er uppers, each needing progressively more work! This one (never leaving this one!) is on a large plot with a claw-back style covenant which will expire around the time we plan to retire. But we've always wanted to live here, with all the land, as a family home.

The condition of the 3 houses was as follows (all had hugely dated decor)

  1. Dated and dirty
  2. Dated but well-loved and spotlessly clean
  3. Dated, grubby and full of junk. Garden overgrown past knee height all over

House no. 2 was a joy to buy.

If you are going to spend time / money appealing to the widest audience I would skip the carpets, scrub everything including the windows, and get the garden strimmed. Brush up around the front door / paths and make sure there is no junk anywhere. Basically leave it in the best condition you can so that people can see that floorboards are sound, kitchen and bathroom are serviceable if need be, and that there are no old trailers, bodies or otherwise lurking in the garden!

You could probably do all of that in a weekend for the price of a skip and some elbow grease.

I think that this would widen your market vastly and ease the sale.

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SimplyMarvellousDarrrrrrling · 24/03/2021 15:45

I would get another two agents opinions at least to be honest
With one agents valuation only and you paying for the work they suggested, they will get their commission regardless
It's no big hassle to get outlining PP

1hamwich4 · 24/03/2021 16:33

Just clean it well, fix or get rid of anything anything that’s dangerous, cut back the garden and put it up for sale at an honest price.

Someone wanting a doer upper won’t care that the fireplace is old but will value the fact that they can move in without taking their life in their hands after first wielding a machete to get to the front door.

Aozora13 · 25/03/2021 12:06

Thanks for the update @WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll (love your username btw!)

It’s tricky to separate out head and heart in these situations but sounds like you know what you need to do (from both sides). Good luck with it all!

billy1966 · 25/03/2021 12:45

@MoreWater

We've bought and lived in three do-er uppers, each needing progressively more work! This one (never leaving this one!) is on a large plot with a claw-back style covenant which will expire around the time we plan to retire. But we've always wanted to live here, with all the land, as a family home.

The condition of the 3 houses was as follows (all had hugely dated decor)

  1. Dated and dirty
  2. Dated but well-loved and spotlessly clean
  3. Dated, grubby and full of junk. Garden overgrown past knee height all over

House no. 2 was a joy to buy.

If you are going to spend time / money appealing to the widest audience I would skip the carpets, scrub everything including the windows, and get the garden strimmed. Brush up around the front door / paths and make sure there is no junk anywhere. Basically leave it in the best condition you can so that people can see that floorboards are sound, kitchen and bathroom are serviceable if need be, and that there are no old trailers, bodies or otherwise lurking in the garden!

You could probably do all of that in a weekend for the price of a skip and some elbow grease.

I think that this would widen your market vastly and ease the sale.

I think this is great advice.

My SIL/BIL bought a gorgeous old house with a fab garden in a very expensive area for a fantastic price years ago.

The reason ? Sticking carpets and curtains.
The house smelled of urine, gaggingly smelly, garden a real mess.

BIL was against it, but she absolutely insisted and they got it for a great price.

They spent one week stripping the house completely, cleaning it, painting the whole house white. They washed the gorgeous wooden floors when the filthy carpets were removed. Windows open. Smell gone within the week.
They cleared the garden and paid a guy with a van to help them.
They spent two thousand pounds doing this and a hard weeks worth of work.

The difference in the house was truly extraordinary.
It looked bright, fresh, clean, spacious and as for the garden, amazing.

It was hard work.
They moved in and lived with it like that for two years before they could do the big job they planned. With the 100,000 extension to the house the quadrupled the total cost of the house within 3 years.
It's their forever house.

So many people cannot see beyond a dirty, stinky house.
Clearing it out completely and leaving as blank a canvas as possible is great.

Our home was a similar buy as it was huge, dark, ugly with a colour scheme that would make you wince.
I took 8 layers of wallpaper off a couple of walls.
Again, it put so many people off but the huge overgrown garden and the house's great urban location was all we could see.

AfternoonToffee · 25/03/2021 13:10

We are in a similar position, my MIL's house will need to be sold as a do-upper. It doesn't even have gch or a boiler, we had been considering putting it in but then the situation changed. The kitchen is very dated, there is no where in the kitchen where a boiler could easily go at the moment, so the whole kitchen would need doing or a boiler put in a bedroom. The loo and bathroom are separate, so you wouldn't want to do that out without really knocking it into one first.

It has potential, properties sell for about 85k, so very suited to many buyers, catchment area for a fairly good secondary, and a good size house (this still has the two reception rooms, but lots of people have knocked them into one. )

We are nowhere near that point though.

My sister lives in a bungalow (around 40 when she got it) it was very dated - maroon bathroom suite with carpet for example but has so much potential. It was a 4 bed so kind of had limited appeal. My BIL is a chippy by trade though and he always wanted something he could put his mark on, so this was perfect for them. He also wanted space for his van, cars, doom buggy. Hopefully there'll be another buyer there just like him.

Ex0ticM1xture · 25/03/2021 13:46

Suggest get minimum 3 valuations

It is your choice if you wish to sell to a family or a developer

Older properties are a blank canvas for the buyer to do what they wish - fantastic !

I've seen some older bungalows, have the top removed & made into beautiful houses. Or bungalows extended with double height open plan extensions added. Also property knocked down & multiple new builds added. It depends how much land there is

I would suggest try to take emotions out of the selling & look at it as a business transaction

WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 25/03/2021 18:57

If you are going to spend time / money appealing to the widest audience I would skip the carpets, scrub everything including the windows, and get the garden strimmed. Brush up around the front door / paths and make sure there is no junk anywhere. Basically leave it in the best condition you can so that people can see that floorboards are sound, kitchen and bathroom are serviceable if need be, and that there are no old trailers, bodies or otherwise lurking in the garden!

Thank you - much appreciated. This is what I'm still minded to do, and it wouldn't take all that much time, money or effort - certainly nothing like scraping off 50yo wallpaper and painting many coats over a medley of three strong, lurid colours throughout the whole, house.

The carpets are truly nasty and do stink. It might be that a developer isn't fazed by having to remove/replace them, but, as you say, for somebody pricing up what they'd need to spend, it could only be a benefit for them to be able to see the good floorboards underneath and know that they wouldn't have to allow for replacing a whole rotting floor that they otherwise might have found.

The section of the garden that is out of control doesn't block you from getting to the front door, but it's still an obstacle to them being able to step over that area and properly survey it. There are a number of dead bodies there, but definitely no trailers Grin

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WeBuiltThisBuffetOnSausageRoll · 25/03/2021 19:02

I called two more valuers today and have made appointments to meet them both one day next week. It can only help - I might also have misunderstood slightly what the solicitor said, when I thought she was suggesting getting a few valuations, when it appears that it's required for probate purposes - or at least frowned on if you don't.

The way I see it, they'll either confirm what we've already concluded and/or bring something else new to the table which can only increase our options if anything.

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